Physique means absolutely NOTHING to girls

try some more research wrote:

Try watching a Connor Murphy video on YouTube. Especially the ones where girls are indifferent to him until he takes his shirt off and then they lose their minds. Then report back and see if you still think they don't care about physique.

Uhh...I mean I think the OP is a little on the inflated size when he says "nothing", but he is also a solid 6.5-7/10 in terms of facial attractiveness. The girls are already pretty into him, taking off the shirt just adds a little effect, spice, and confidence to keep things going...and since he has a very good body it probably halos his looks a point or so.

I don't think a great body makes more than about a 1pt difference in most cases (obviously rare exceptions exist). In other words, if you're a 5/10, aka average, aka plain as in not ugly but nobody gives you a second chance, a killer body might pull you up to a 6/10 in a best case scenario, which is where I would say attractive starts, but not many are going to call you "hot" "sexy" "etc."

Mr. Mojo Risin wrote:

That means, first and foremost, being tall or at least not short.

Why are dudes so convinced that height is like the most important factor? Tons of 5'8 dudes getting mad poon brah. You think Frank Zane wasn't deep in some walls?

Jay- wrote:

girls don't give 1 single fuk about physique. Girls care most about a face and then status/wealth, and that's pretty much it.

as long as you're not some 50 lbs overweight fat fuk, you're good.

Well by your theory that's already taken care of. No such thing as an overweight fat fuk with a great face. Guys with excellent eyes and some decent bone structure can still be a smidge above average with big beer gut bodies, but that's rare. Most guys with more than 20% BF are not going to be above a 5/10 in facial attractivness, and almost anyone above 25-30% is going to be sub 4/10.

I disagree with your premise though, especially for midrange people. Most people are between like a 4-6. For people in that range, body can have an effect. Though not huge. Below 4, into the beginning of approaching ugly territory body starts to not matter because it's just too much to overcome. Above about 6.5-7, it doesn't matter because you're just flat out hot/gorgeous/etc. and you're going to have basically every girl eyeing you up.

A guy with a plain, non attractive face, but a mens fitness magazine body is going to get destroyed at a pool party by a truly attractive 7+ guy. Needless to say in any other situation like at a bar or club the body becomes irrelevant.

RejectRunner wrote:

Mr. Mojo Risin wrote:

That means, first and foremost, being tall or at least not short.

Why are dudes so convinced that height is like the most important factor? Tons of 5'8 dudes getting mad poon brah. You think Frank Zane wasn't deep in some walls?

Yea don't understand this either. Probably more a guy thing due to the dominance and general intimidation factor of being bigger.

Probably because it makes some level of difference in that 4-6 band range. I think if you have a face that does nothing, then being 6'2 might be a half point advantage over 5'10" which is another half point advantgage over 5'6". Really short, and to a lesser extent really tall, can be difficult to overcome. If you're 5'3" or something...you better be in a small country or hope you have above or way above average looks.

It doesn't. Unless you want anything. Most guys are generally trying to attract above average girls, often hot ones. That's a small pool of women. Women that are good looking like that, or even attractive, especially in the age of Tinder and Bumble, know that sleeping with some hot dude is just a few swipes and a couple texts away. For an attractive women, the obese fatties and average dudes might as well not exist.

Well, this missed the premise of the OP. As written, the answer is obvious, Mr Jacked and Shredded. However, this basically assumes that all else is equal.

However, if you compare:

5'8" 120, face like this:

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6'2" 190, 8% BF face like this:

The thin 5'8" guy is going to destroy the 6'2" jacked guy.

You think being 6'2" is only a 1-pt advantage over being 5'7"? Almost every single woman is shopping for guys online and is filtering out guys below a certain height (usually around 6'0"). So right off the bat you're only visible to maybe 10% of all single women.

Mr. Mojo Risin wrote:

You think being 6'2" is only a 1-pt advantage over being 5'7"? Almost every single woman is shopping for guys online and is filtering out guys below a certain height (usually around 6'0"). So right off the bat you're only visible to maybe 10% of all single women.

Online is a little different. Tbh though, even there one point to maybe 1.5 feels about right, and that's a case where you can usually get away with an inch or two of play. Lots of guys that are 5'7"-5'8" that list at 5'10" which is usually enough for only a minor bit of hurt.

I do decently online, for Tinder I'm usually getting 5-10 matches a day, and I get pretty decent response rates on places like OKC when I have used them, and I list my height at 5'9". Tinder you don't even have to list. I'm rarely asked beforehand what my height is. Including it didn't seem to drastically reduce my number of matches. It was noticeable, but it wasn't like I was getting 10 matches a day and then getting 1 a week. It was perhaps a 25% reduction if I had to guess.

Also, I'd say one point is a lot the way I look at it. It's the difference between being borderline ugly and average, or between plain/average and handsome. So yea, I think if your a guy most people would call handsome/good looking, but not someone who would be described as hot, I don't think being 5'7" is going to drop you 1.5-2+ pts down into the same territory as a 6'0" ugly guy. In person I'm convinced I'm absolutely certain it won't.

"freakishly" short becomes an issue. I guess if you put a gun to my head, 5'6" and below would probably be close to a 2pt hit. I think a decent looking guy at 5'4" would struggle some, but tbh I still think he'd get some girls to message with him. I don't think a 4 is getting anyone other than very unattractive women to match with him. 5'8-5'10" is a pretty modest hit, no worse than a point, and that's probably high. 5'11" to 6'1" seems like the neutral territory, and 6'2" up to about 6'4" seems to be the golden zone.

Still think face is vastly more important though.

Mr. Mojo Risin wrote:

I have abs like a Men's Health model and women won't give me the time of day

First thing that has to be mentioned is that if your clothes aren't tailored, or at least respectable off the rack fits, then you might as well not even have a good body and could even hurting yourself. You can take a men's health model, put him in some clothes with crap fit, and have him look worse than a 20lb beer gut guy that hasn't exercised for a decade.

Even then, the right situation makes a huge difference. A chiseled fitness model in tailed clothes will certainly have a nicer silhouette than a 15% BF frat bro that hits the gym a couple times a week, but both guys will still look fit, and any advantage you have is likely to be subtle at best.

Which means that the real time where abs can come into play is when you get chances to go around with out a shirt. If that's what you have going for you, and you're trying to slay, you need to take advantage of that. You should be the guy that looks for the first excuse to get his shirt off in parties, and attend events that favor your physique.

If you're doing that and getting no attention, I'm assuming that by abs like a fitness model means a body like one too, and not that you're Ezekial Kemboi or something. Abs do get crazy responses from women even on skinny guys, but there is truth to the whole abs on a skinny guy are like tits on a fat chick saying. But assuming you have that fitness male cover model body and are getting no responses even in places where you have your shirt off, it's going to be one of three things imo

1) You got a pretty bad draw facially

2) You're brutally short, less than 5'6"

It's probably mostly 1), with 2) playing into it slightly...but there is also a small chance that you've got an average face but are painfully shy/awkward around women and are expecting to be approached or obviously hit on before you start conversations.

LM,

You say that 5'5.9999" is a major issue, but 5'7" isn't? Makes no sense, as those are practically the same height. Both are very short and for most women a deal-breaker.

Mr. Mojo Risin wrote:

LM,

You say that 5'5.9999" is a major issue, but 5'7" isn't? Makes no sense, as those are practically the same height. Both are very short and for most women a deal-breaker.

Obviously it's a continuum. There is still an inch of difference there, in a tightly packed area. Most women are like 5'3-5'7" or so

I can't say I agree on deal breaker. I think many women are a little uncomfortable with being taller than a guy, but I don't think it's a deal breaker. Approximately 70% of women (1 std deviation more specifically) are between 5'2-5'8". That's why that 5'6"/5'7" range is signficant. Start getting much shorter than 5'8" and you rapidly become shorter than most women. At 5'7" you're taller than probably 70% of women, at 5'2" you're taller than just 30% or so.

I don't think it's as much of a deal breaker as you do. I just don't. You seem to blanket think men shorter than a certain height are pretty fvcked. I haven't observed this to be the case. Way to many shorter guys (below 5'8") that do just fine. I'm 5'8" and do fine. I don't think for a second if I lost an inch I'd go from doing fine to getting nowhere.

The closest thing I see to a "deal breaker" is when the guy is shorter than the girl. That's pretty rare to see in relationships. It's not rare to see a 5'5" or a 5'7" guy with a fairly attractive girl.

It's most brutal for guys concentrated near average looks, and that's why you can't put blind points on it. It's probably closer to a 2-3 pt disadvantage depending on how it all plays out. If the girl is 5'8" and the guy is 5'7", in certain cases that could be 2-3 points, taking an eligible attractive guy to below ugly and thus shut out territory. However, if the guy is 5'7" and the girl is 5'2", I don't think the guy takes a big hit in most cases.

It's not a problem at all for truly attractive guys. 5'2" Brad Pitt would still be a slayer, even if he wasn't famous and didn't have the money. That guy I posted above...same thing. If he was 5'2", he's still going to get plenty of interested women. I've seen it a few too many times to think otherwise.

Girls only care about what is going to elevate them in society. Money and status.

Youngsters pay attention:

The skinny, scrawny running physique - out

The ripped, big, muscular physique - out

? The "DAD BOD" -in ?

If you have a halfway decent job, own a car, have average looks, have a great personality, don't do drugs, and have a "dad bod"...you'll have no trouble attacking some of the prettiest, finest, nicest women in the land!?. Women love the "dad bods." Btw, the tatoo'd gym bimbos go for the muscleheads...nothing new there.

So, fellows quit feeling sorry for yourselves...transition to a "dad bod. It sure worked for me! ?

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/01/06/dad-bods_n_14008484.html

https://m.sfgate.com/living/article/Dad-bod-still-making-women-swoon-study-finds-11222826.php#photo-7980831

https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/mind-and-body/new-survey-shows-women-prefer-dadbod-six-pack

klubkip1 wrote:

Girls only care about what is going to elevate them in society. Money and status.

Winner winner chicken dinner. Now granted there most certainly are exceptions to this. Every once in a while you will find a woman who is really out there just purely looking for happiness and fun and does not require gobs of money or social status to find it. Unfortunately, those are almost unicorns. The majority of attractive women are in it to better themselves. Now that's not to condemn them as men are equally as guilty of this in their own way. It's just to say that all the physique in the world will get you nowhere (well you'll get laid once in a while but she'll pass you off as soon as a better offer comes along) if you don't have power/status/money.

klubkip1 wrote:

Girls only care about what is going to elevate them in society. Money and status.

And they can gain status by going out with a 6'4" guy.

klubkip1 wrote:

Girls only care about what is going to elevate them in society. Money and status.

klubkip1 wrote:

Girls only care about what is going to elevate them in society. Money and status.

You almost had it right.

Women want what will make them attractive/desirable.

That might be money or social status, to some women. But to some women, it might be a rogue rascal of a guy that makes them look wild and rough. Or some babes might like some hot guy that will show off how hot they are. Point being, when they see a guy, the first thing they think is, how will I look with him.

That's where the confidence helps.

It also helps A LOT (!!) if you are seen with the kind of women they want to be.

what it is wrote:

Point being, when they see a guy, the first thing they think is, how will I look with him.

^ This

Mr. Mojo Risin wrote:

what it is wrote:

Point being, when they see a guy, the first thing they think is, how will I look with him.

^ This

There are two things that go on here. The first is the physical attractiveness spectrum of things, the primal sexual desire we all have. How they will look with a guy doesn't have a huge impact here. I'm not going to say it doesn't play a role, but it's not like some balding 55 year old guy with 40 extra pounds shows up and girls start getting aroused. Melania doesn't get turned on by turned. Those playmates weren't turned on by Hef.

They will readily date, have relationships, and have sex with high status, high power men...but it's not driving the sexual and attraction side anywhere near as heavily. That's much more a rational "this guy is rich and famous I'm going to elevate myself if I hitch to him" thought process.

You hear of lots of O'Rileys, Weinsteins, Cosby's etc. You don't exactly hear of a ton of cases involving sexual assault or rape but Jordan Barett's, Brad Pitts, or David Gandy's. Obviously they are just as capable of commiting sexual assault as these unattractive powerful guys, so why don't they? Because women are generally quite willing and excited about the prospect of doing the nasty with guys like that.

It's easy to understand as a guy as well. If some 230lb unamed IM 'fitness' blogger went up and grabbed your junk, you'd probably be grossed out and violated. If some lady like Adrianne Lima or Scarlett Johansson came up and grabbed your junk you'd likely be suprised, maybe taken aback, but also flattered and quite possibly turned on.

Dad Bods Rule wrote:

Youngsters pay attention:

The skinny, scrawny running physique - out

The ripped, big, muscular physique - out

? The "DAD BOD" -in ?

If you have a halfway decent job, own a car, have average looks, have a great personality, don't do drugs, and have a "dad bod"...you'll have no trouble attacking some of the prettiest, finest, nicest women in the land!?. Women love the "dad bods." Btw, the tatoo'd gym bimbos go for the muscleheads...nothing new there.

So, fellows quit feeling sorry for yourselves...transition to a "dad bod. It sure worked for me! ?

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/01/06/dad-bods_n_14008484.htmlhttps://m.sfgate.com/living/article/Dad-bod-still-making-women-swoon-study-finds-11222826.php#photo-7980831https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/mind-and-body/new-survey-shows-women-prefer-dadbod-six-pack

Pure cringe. You actually posted that?

First rule of attraction is you never listen to what people say. You see what they respond to. People generally have zero clue what turns them on. It's the classic "women want a nice guy, but nice guy sees no action" thing.

Not only do the links all lead to unsubstantiated fluff...basically a survey and some speculation by a professor...it's just obviously not true. All you have to do is go out with two relatively equal looking dudes facial but one who is shredded and one who isn't and just pay attention to how females react.