Since Lagat ran a 51.94 to finish a sub-13:00 5000m while running nearly the whole lap in the outer half of lane 1 and often on the line between 1 and 2, I think he (among others) could have done the 12x sub-50 without much trouble.
Since Lagat ran a 51.94 to finish a sub-13:00 5000m while running nearly the whole lap in the outer half of lane 1 and often on the line between 1 and 2, I think he (among others) could have done the 12x sub-50 without much trouble.
taoufik makhloufi
1:42 800m, 2:13 1000m, 3:28 1500m.
does brutal workouts.
strong as hell.
he's the guy.
Athens (OH) marathoner wrote:
Since Lagat ran a 51.94 to finish a sub-13:00 5000m while running nearly the whole lap in the outer half of lane 1 and often on the line between 1 and 2, I think he (among others) could have done the 12x sub-50 without much trouble.
No, Lagat couldn’t do it
I'm actually going to question whether any athlete in history could have done that.
Who has ever done more than 4 in one workout?
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
Athens (OH) marathoner wrote:
Since Lagat ran a 51.94 to finish a sub-13:00 5000m while running nearly the whole lap in the outer half of lane 1 and often on the line between 1 and 2, I think he (among others) could have done the 12x sub-50 without much trouble.
No, Lagat couldn’t do it
He ran 3:26?
El Caballo, a 44.26/1:43 runner, did something like 5x600 in 1:26.5 early in training and then in the competition phase did gradually better, as fast as 1:21 repeats, but the 1:21, high 1:21, numbered just two, and were augmented by just 2x400 at 48.25 avg). He could perhaps have done 5x400 sub 50. 12x400 is 4800m worth of work.
5 x 600m (average 1:25.6)
Friday
Warm up run + gym.
Strength special exercises, jumps over hurdles.
3 x 100m getting faster with each rep.
Starts off blocks –3 x 30m
Speed 8 x 200m (average speed 23.18 sec)
Saturday
Warm up run + gym.
3 x 100m getting faster with each rep
Starts off blocks 3 x 100m
2 x 600m (average 1:21.9) + 2 x 400m (average 48.25).
No pure 400m runner and no pure 1500m runner
Also not many outside of the top handful of 800/1500 guys either. Off the top of my head
Rudisha
Mahkloufi
Murphy
Kiprop
Amos
Centrowitz
and even then it's easy for these dudes as it seems. Sure theoretically a sub 50 followed up with 59min rest is a peace of cake but doing this over 12 hours I'm guessing after 8-9 still becomes a very challenging task.
Pre-1984 Olympics, Seb Coe did a pretty damn good workout, but still not even close:
AM: 6x400m @51/52 sec with 5 min recovery (progression from 200 and 300m sessions)
In the year, he ran 3 1:42s, Joaquim Cruz ran this workout:
2 sets of (2 x 400m in 51-53 av:51 with 3.00 mins rec)
For Rudisha, all I could find was not close either, but good.
Tuesday
9:00AM: Track Workout (typically at 800m pace or faster)
e.g. 10x200m in 23-24sec with 3-4min walk 200m recovery.
400 repeats were more like 54-55 on this page. Of course, this is at altitude.
zcxvzcxvcvx wrote:
I'm actually going to question whether any athlete in history could have done that.
Who has ever done more than 4 in one workout?
Question all you want, many could have done it.
Has anyone questioning if this is possible ever run under 50 seconds themselves? I feel like people are hearing "sub 50" and it sounds impossibly fast to them. For many people, this is not as hard as it may sound to you. I was a 1:51 800m runner who could run 48 high for a 400 (more of a speed guy than an endurance guy, obviously). I broke 50s 3 times over the course of about 4-5 hours during a relay meet as a freshman in college when my 800m time was 1:55. And that was relatively slow me, with garbage endurance, having to give 100% effort!
A world-class (hell, even some national-class) 800m runner with ~46 speed who isn't terrible at the 1500m could cruise 49 seconds quite easily.
The equivalent effort for me would probably have been doing them in 52, and I can say with 100% confidence that it would have been no problem to knock out 12 of those over 12 hours. At that point in my life, running a 52 was just easy. And you stop before the lactic acid kicks in, so it's not that hard to come back a bit later (more like 10 minutes than an hour) and do another one. Break this into 3 sessions of 4x400, with about 15 min between each, then a couple hours between the sets, and it's done.
Rudisha, Murphy, Makh, etc etc etc would not have trouble with this.
3, yes. But look at the workouts. It is very rare that 1500 runners break 50 in a workout. 800 runners will do it sometimes.
Some of the best in history didn't do it much. You're asking about 12 of them. If it was so easy, why didn't anyone, apparently, ever even do 5-6 sub 50s?
Johnny Gray might have been one of the top candidates. We don't see all the paces here, but he was hitting 53 at 440 enroute to 2x660, as well as doing 4x800 at 1:53. Nonetheless, nothing here appears to be even close, as the 8x440 workout has 3 easyx2, 1 good speed>not sure what that means but probably around 50.
All distances in yards.
Non-Competitive Season:
M. 6 miles easy, 16 x 220 (3 easy then 1 good speed-repeat); 6 x 150 good speed; 10 x 110 easy.
T. 6 miles easy, 8 x 440 with 220 jog (3 easy then 1 good speed-repeat); 4 x 220 good speed; 10 x 110 easy.
W. 12 miles easy
Th. 6 miles alternating easy and fresh.
F. 8 miles easy.
S. 10 miles alternation 2 easy and 2 fresh.
S. 8 miles easy.
Competitive Season:
M. Mile warm up; 12 x 110 alternating easy and good speed; 8 x 440 (2 good speed, 1 half speed, 1 lap jog-repeat); 8 x 220 alternating good speed and fresh; 2 miles easy, 2 x 660 (53.0 at 440); 10 x 110 easy.
T. 2 miles easy; 12 x 110; 4 x 880 (1:53); 2 x 440 easy; 12 x 150 (1 easy, 1 good speed, 1 easy, 1 half speed-repeat); 10 x 110 easy.
W. 7 miles easy; 1 x 880 (1:49).
Th. 4 miles easy; 12 x 110 alternating easy and good speed; 8 x 220 with 110 jog in between alternating 1 good speed and 1 hard; 6 x 150 alternating easy and fresh; 10 x 110 easy.
F. 6 miles easy.
S. Race.
S. Rest
Here's a Johnny Gray coached disciple, Khadevis Robinson, doing 6 400s among other things, at 52 down to 50.
14/05/2008
9AM
20min WU and 10x100m strides
2x400m good speed with 200m (easy) jog 52, 52sec
3 laps jog
6x150m with 50m jog rec all fresh
1 lap jog
2x400m good speed with 200m (easy) jog 52, 51sec
3 laps jog
6x150m with 50m jog rec all fresh
1 lap jog
2x400m good speed with 200m (easy) jog 51, 50sec
4 laps jog
1x150m good speed build up ~16
4 laps CD
4:30PM
2 miles WU
3x800 Good, Fresh, Good (800 jog btw)
1 mile CD
zxcvzcxv wrote:
3, yes. But look at the workouts. It is very rare that 1500 runners break 50 in a workout. 800 runners will do it sometimes.
Some of the best in history didn't do it much. You're asking about 12 of them. If it was so easy, why didn't anyone, apparently, ever even do 5-6 sub 50s?
Maybe because it wouldn't be a good workout? It would require too much rest.
Rudisha is the only person I feel comfortable about.
Lagat, Coe, Wilson Kipketer, maybe a prime Alan Webb (?), a few others are possibles.
the magic rat wrote:
zxcvzcxv wrote:
3, yes. But look at the workouts. It is very rare that 1500 runners break 50 in a workout. 800 runners will do it sometimes.
Some of the best in history didn't do it much. You're asking about 12 of them. If it was so easy, why didn't anyone, apparently, ever even do 5-6 sub 50s?
Maybe because it wouldn't be a good workout? It would require too much rest.
Look at the rest on the workouts you are posting. 200m easy jog, 3 lap jog, etc. That isn't 15 minutes+.
Galen could have.
between 52s and 49.n ?
dont see the point of that other than to say that that guy obviously didnt do it either
Yes I don't think it is possible from blocks. From a running start only a quick guy like Gray or Juantorena or Borza (Ovett's love child) or Kipketer could do it. Makhloufi couldn't.
It hilarious reading these posts. Running 49s is like a jog for elite 400m runners. Have you ever seen Wayde Van Niekerk run 44 at low key meets? He does it effortlessly and basically walks across the finish. For him running 49s is nothing. He could do this workout in 2 hours probably. Any sub 45 400m runner can do this workout.