Buying a Gun and Registering to Vote should be roughly as difficult as Legally Owning and Driving a Car.

Uh.............nope. wrote:

L L wrote:

Getting a gun is so much easier than voting.

Right. You clearly have never purchased a gun. Every aspect of your life is probed when you buy a gun. All you need to register to vote is a piece of mail with your name and address on it.

Not that many aspects of your life are probed when you buy a gun.

In many states, you must have a driver's permit for a year to 6 months before you can actually get a driver's license.

redux wrote:

Can we add human sexual reproduction to the list of things people do willy nilly that the government SHOULD regulate?

We could. But then we would be dumber than rocks.

Danny Bandana wrote:

Second AMENDMENT wrote:

Here's the cool thing, you can.

I think many 'muricans think an amendment is Latin for "written in stone right"

I am hoping he was joking about not being able to Amend the Constitution.... Please let him be joking....

I wish I could believe that you were not as stupid as your post indicates (same thing with 'Second AMENDMENT').

It couldn't possibly be the case that 'Cheif Justice Simpson' was referring to the act of actually getting an amendment passed (as opposed to existence of an amendment process) could it?

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Please try keeping your level of moronicity down. It's rough waking up in the morning to such imbecilic posts.

fisky wrote:

As an NRA member and gun owner, I would support restricting gun ownership of semiautomatic weapons to everyone under the age of 25. I can't find the data right now, but I think about 3 out of 4 school shootings are done by males under the age of 25. Ownership of single shot hunting rifles and shotguns would be okay.

I agree with you in principle. Just remember (and you obviously already know this): banning the selling of semiauto weapons to minors and actually keeping those weapons out of their hands are 2 very different things.

Jerry Maguire wrote:

That is ridiculous.

What kind of society do you want to live in? Obviously not a Democracy. Sounds like you'd love to live under some sort of authoritarian regime.

We should have automatic voter registration. You want to make it harder to vote? disgusting you do not belong in this country.

Voting has been declared a human right by the UN since 1948.

This country is entirely irrational about weapons. I own 5 fire arms, I own a semi-automatic tactical pistol, I also own an AR style rifle. It is absolutely INSANE, people can go buy the weapons I own without ZERO difficulty.

There needs to be a federal license program and intensive learning/training to obtain said license for ALL SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARMS.

Clinging to the constitution is insane, just look at all of the amendments. It is irrational and highlights low IQ

It is absolutely NUTS.

I want anyone who want to educate themselves and who considers voting a priority to be able to vote. I am against the idea of being able to help decide the leaders of our nation on a whim, however. Easy voting registration leads to emotional decisions, not rational ones. (Easy gun registration does the same thing, btw, hence my OP.) No way we end up with the candidates we did with an extended waiting period for voting registration.

Throwing around words like "ridiculous", "insane", "nuts", and "irrational" in a clearly emotional post does not lend credence to your argument, but it does highlight irony.

theJeff wrote:

Good times are killing me wrote:

You can buy a car, register it, get insured and get a driver's license in a day. I'm really not sure what you're talking about. Also, most of the things that will get you denied on a background check to buy a gun are no issue for being able to drive.

A much better argument is that it should be much more difficult to legally drive a car. They kill more people than guns yet anyone can drive and most are doing so while texting or playing on their phone. Go to any trauma hospital and see if there are more people there from being shot or from car accidents.

I realize you're a troll but try harder.

In many states, you must have a driver's permit for a year to 6 months before you can actually get a driver's license.

Vast majority of states do not require an adult to get a learners permit before getting a license.

redux wrote:

Can we add human sexual reproduction to the list of things people do willy nilly that the government SHOULD regulate?

Sure, but don't you dare come after my test tube babies.

fisky wrote:

As an NRA member and gun owner, I would support restricting gun ownership of semiautomatic weapons to everyone under the age of 25. I can't find the data right now, but I think about 3 out of 4 school shootings are done by males under the age of 25. Ownership of single shot hunting rifles and shotguns would be okay.

This is the first I've heard of this really good idea. Can we include pistols too?

The Govt should not be involved at all in gun purchases or gun ownership, else we will become a fascist country like Russia, Israel, China, etc.

I think this case is a clear example of why the Government/legislation/laws do need to be involved. The FBI had been warned about the guy. He was clearly a threat. Unfortunately there were no strong legal grounds in place to compel the authorities to act. Our current laws make it very difficult to restrict rights of a citizen even if he goes into YouTube comments to post threats or hate speech. Clearly many people don't want that guy to have a gun, but legislators continue to make it so cases against these people have weak legal support. If you are a prosecutor or state's attorney you have no compelling reason to bring a case. If you are an agency like the FBI with a watch list you have no mechanism in place to remove their gun ownership. The legislators aren't the criminals here, but they let us all down.

Good times are killing me wrote:

Is legally owning and driving a car difficult?

Yes, it is for many people. When I renewed my license the test was literally common sense questions such as “when the light is red, you do what?”

Yet, several people in my 10 minutes there failed the test. You get 3 tries and one guy failed twice before leaving because failing a third time means you have to retake the original driving test.

And you just have to go outside and drive to see people have no clue what they are doing.

Danny Bandana wrote:

Second AMENDMENT wrote:

Here's the cool thing, you can.

I think many 'muricans think an amendment is Latin for "written in stone right"

I am hoping he was joking about not being able to Amend the Constitution.... Please let him be joking....

Amending the constitution requires 75% of the states to ratify it. Not gonna happen dude.

Without reading the thread.

Registering your weapon and providing evidence of sales to second parties should be required also.

It's crazy to think that a product designed to kill people is not monitored the way a product designed to move people from point A to point B is monitored..

Cheif Justice Simpson wrote:

Not disagreeing, but unless you can amend the constitution, this is a moot point.

It's not clear that this is true. There are federal restrictions on fully automatic weapons, for instance as well as more comprehensive restrictions in some state and local jurisdictions that have passed constitutional muster.

Texerine wrote:

In principle, I don't disagree. But, the right to vote and the right to bear arms are both constitutionally protected. The privilege of driving a car is not. So, I would argue that the right to vote and the right to bear arms should both be easier than owning and driving a car.

Actually there is no right to vote in the US Constitution...

For some people wrote:

Good times are killing me wrote:

Is legally owning and driving a car difficult?

Yes, it is for many people. When I renewed my license the test was literally common sense questions such as “when the light is red, you do what?”

Yet, several people in my 10 minutes there failed the test. You get 3 tries and one guy failed twice before leaving because failing a third time means you have to retake the original driving test.

And you just have to go outside and drive to see people have no clue what they are doing.

I wouldnt omit the insurance hurdle either. Registering a car and driving means you are somewhat financially solvent and someone agreed to insure you. Why not have the same check and balance on guns? They have the same power to kill & maim as a car.

If we want to get pedantic, there is a right to vote (see Amendment 14, Section 2, Amendment 15, Amendment 19, Amendment 24, and Amendment 26). The right is not absolute, as each of those amendments spells out ways the states cannot abridge the right.

In addition, the Supreme Court has held that the right to vote is a fundamental constitutional right:

Undeniably the Constitution of the United States protects the right of all qualified citizens to vote, in state as **1378 well as in federal elections. A consistent line of decisions by this Court in cases involving attempts to deny or restrict the right of suffrage has made this indelibly clear. It has been repeatedly recognized that all qualified voters have a constitutionally protected right to vote.

Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U.S. 533, 554.

You know what America needs? More guns in schools to stop school shootings.