I disagree!
No disrespect to EL 'G, but I suspect he doesn't know Ches.
I disagree!
No disrespect to EL 'G, but I suspect he doesn't know Ches.
Random Name wrote:
YAWN . . . some random poster on LRC claims to know about running the 1500 than El G. . . . Crawl back into your mummy's basement, fool.
+1
I agree with El G. He should focus on the mile, but like El G also branch out to longer distances as well.
El G, Farah, Rupp, and others have proved that the 1500m is not that different from the 5k in terms of training anyways.
zxcvzxcv wrote:
El G did get outkicked at 5000m by Kipchoge and others, while he was outkicked in a championship 1500m only once, to my knowledge, in 2000 when he led much of the way and Ngeny went past him at the end in an Olympic record time.
A lot of people will get outkicked when they lead for multiple laps in a 1500m.
In 1996, El G fell. In 2004, when Lagat came up to him, El G pulled away.
It is true that El G usually did not want the race to come down to the kick, but his last laps were tremendous.
The reason he'd tweet advice to Cheserek is because Cheserek just became #2 at the indoor mile behind El G, and is uncertain as to what event to do. I take it that El G, unlike Rojo, was impressed by Cheserek following up the 3:49 with a 7:38 kick win the next night.
this sums it all up. thread over
Edward Cheserek is closer than anyone has been to breaking the world indoor mile wr. He is still young(supposedly)and in his physical prime. El-G know this and is simply encouraging the young man to maybe go after his WR. I think with the right pacing and a great day King Ches is worth a 3:45 outdoors.
El Gee Wizz wrote:
In Morocco when El G ran, and more recently, the key to maximizing endurance was a little bit of the special sauce.
I say that King Cheddar wouldn't be running these times if he weren't already coming from a 5k and even 10k (at least collegiately) background. Sure he can run 48 in the 400, but that's not 46. Ches isn't a Coe, Ovett, or Alan Webb. He also isn't an Asbel Kiprop, who purportedly has finished workouts in 47's on a dirt track. He's definitely no Tim Cheruiyot. He might be more of a Silas Kipligat. He's no El G, either (maybe not even El G was an El G, if we are going on guilt by association).
By the way, I'm not oblivious to the fact that El G was just encouraging the young talent. I wonder if he'll start tweeting at young Kenyans that live in Iten. They all have internet and can get on twitter, too.
OH YAA, I already told him dat earlier dis week dude.
This post is very odd.
What a bizarre post. Very peculiar.
A most curious post.
The French would call this post tres outré .
running commenter wrote:
You are right. He is not Coe, Ovett, Webb, or anyone for that matter. He's faster than ALL OF THEM. He is the second fastest miler ever indoors. .
Do you think Coe or Ovett gave a rat's ass about indoor miles?
Tilastapaja lists zero career indoor races for Ovett. Zero.
Tilastapaja lists zero lifetime 1500/mile indoor results for Coe. Get back to me when Ches runs 1:44 indoors like Coe did.
You and I therefore also are faster than Coe and Ovett for the indoor mile.
rojo wrote:
running commenter wrote:
You are right. He is not Coe, Ovett, Webb, or anyone for that matter. He's faster than ALL OF THEM. He is the second fastest miler ever indoors. .
Do you think Coe or Ovett gave a rat's ass about indoor miles?
Tilastapaja lists zero career indoor races for Ovett. Zero.
Tilastapaja lists zero lifetime 1500/mile indoor results for Coe. Get back to me when Ches runs 1:44 indoors like Coe did.
You and I therefore also are faster than Coe and Ovett for the indoor mile.
you're an idiot, Rojo.
You get so emotional you lose your sense of reasoning. I love your site, but I am consistently shocked by how subjective and biased you are on some things.
just because YOU think they didn't care about racing indoor miles, doesn't make my statement not true. You're probably right that they didn't care about racing indoor mles. Irrelevant. it's a fact. Lagat could have probably run a 3:44 mile, but he never did so it never happened.
cheserek isn't an 800m runner either, so i doubt he'll ever record a 1:44 indoor 800m. or anyone else will for a while actually. How and why does that have ANY relevance to the point you're trying to make about Cheserek being the 2nd fastest indoor miler (fact) ever anyway!!??
BTW, sub 1:45 has only happened 24 times and Wilson Kipketer did 5 of those and Yuriy Borzakovskiy did 5 as well. So 10 of the top 24 are two people.
Summary: Your opinion/argument is that other runners COULD have run faster times than Cheserek but DIDN'T, and that somehow justifies you for downplaying cheserek's amazing weekend races and historic 3:49.44 indoor mile?
Let me know if I got that right.
You make a good point Rojo but you could also take the counter point that Ches is only 1 second off a record owned by a runner who was an Olympic gold medalist and multiple time world champion at 1500 meters who may or may not have been on the sauce.
rojo wrote:
running commenter wrote:
You are right. He is not Coe, Ovett, Webb, or anyone for that matter. He's faster than ALL OF THEM. He is the second fastest miler ever indoors. .
Do you think Coe or Ovett gave a rat's ass about indoor miles?
Tilastapaja lists zero career indoor races for Ovett. Zero.
Tilastapaja lists zero lifetime 1500/mile indoor results for Coe. Get back to me when Ches runs 1:44 indoors like Coe did.
.[/quote]
Ches' 3:49 is equivalent to 1:43 for 800m.
El Gee Wizz wrote:
He also isn't an Asbel Kiprop, who purportedly has finished workouts in 47's on a dirt track.
No he finishes workouts with a 53s 400m.
El Gee Wizz wrote:
rojo wrote:
I 100% disagree. It's one of the best posts in the history of letsrun.com. From the first line to the last, it's full of info. Amazing.
Brilliant.
Oh golly, Rojo, only one day late for Valentines. If Letsrun wants to hire me for more Tweet op-ed work, I can be in touch...
Some people don't have the man moxie to understand the concept of "double shifting."
1. Lunch Date.
2. Dinner Date.
[For you 5 Star Gamers, the Triple shift:]
3. Booty Call (Only at her place.)
That is all...
Thread Oddity wrote:
This thread is odd. I have no idea what's going on.
LMAO. Right?!
rojo wrote:
People are calling the following post odd.
El Gee Wizz wrote:
In Morocco when El G ran, and more recently, the key to maximizing endurance was a little bit of the special sauce.
I say that King Cheddar wouldn't be running these times if he weren't already coming from a 5k and even 10k (at least collegiately) background. Sure he can run 48 in the 400, but that's not 46. Ches isn't a Coe, Ovett, or Alan Webb. He also isn't an Asbel Kiprop, who purportedly has finished workouts in 47's on a dirt track. He's definitely no Tim Cheruiyot. He might be more of a Silas Kipligat. He's no El G, either (maybe not even El G was an El G, if we are going on guilt by association).
By the way, I'm not oblivious to the fact that El G was just encouraging the young talent. I wonder if he'll start tweeting at young Kenyans that live in Iten. They all have internet and can get on twitter, too.
I 100% disagree. It's one of the best posts in the history of letsrun.com. From the first line to the last, it's full of info. Amazing.
Brilliant.
There is nothing odd about it. Basically, he's saying he thinks El G was on drugs which I would say is a very common belief among insiders. He's also getting at a point that John Kellogg makes all the time - Strength = Speed .Then he talks about how Ches isn't fast enough to be a truly elite 1500 guy.
Oh Please wrote:
If the greatest "miler" of all time had an opinion, you at least listen to it.
You don't listen if you think he was doped. Another thing John Kellogg always talks about is how doping totally screws up our view of what proper training should be and look like.
People such as myself are calling it odd not for its content, but for the fact that grammatically it is all over the place, and it brings in ideas seemingly randomly like a drunkard slurring his sentences.
rojo wrote:
People are calling the following post odd.
El Gee Wizz wrote:
In Morocco when El G ran, and more recently, the key to maximizing endurance was a little bit of the special sauce.
I say that King Cheddar wouldn't be running these times if he weren't already coming from a 5k and even 10k (at least collegiately) background. Sure he can run 48 in the 400, but that's not 46. Ches isn't a Coe, Ovett, or Alan Webb. He also isn't an Asbel Kiprop, who purportedly has finished workouts in 47's on a dirt track. He's definitely no Tim Cheruiyot. He might be more of a Silas Kipligat. He's no El G, either (maybe not even El G was an El G, if we are going on guilt by association).
By the way, I'm not oblivious to the fact that El G was just encouraging the young talent. I wonder if he'll start tweeting at young Kenyans that live in Iten. They all have internet and can get on twitter, too.
I 100% disagree. It's one of the best posts in the history of letsrun.com. From the first line to the last, it's full of info. Amazing.
Brilliant.
There is nothing odd about it. Basically, he's saying he thinks El G was on drugs which I would say is a very common belief among insiders. He's also getting at a point that John Kellogg makes all the time - Strength = Speed .Then he talks about how Ches isn't fast enough to be a truly elite 1500 guy.
Oh Please wrote:
If the greatest "miler" of all time had an opinion, you at least listen to it.
You don't listen if you think he was doped. Another thing John Kellogg always talks about is how doping totally screws up our view of what proper training should be and look like.
Just stop it Rojo. You claim that many pros "believe" El G doped. That may be, but there isn't one single shred of hard evidence to support that inference. However, there are multiple drug tests that indicate Paula Radcliffe was toting around a couple extra pints of blood during her peak.
It's irresponsible and childish to smear one athlete on the basis of rumors while moaning on about the "work ethic" of an athlete who ran improbably fast times despite a total lack of natural speed and shockingly bad running form AND had three blood tests that look liked they came from a Himalayan yak.
Until you call out Radcliffe and everyone else who doesn't pass the smell test you should just stop talking about doping altogether.
ex-runner wrote:
People such as myself are calling it odd not for its content, but for the fact that grammatically it is all over the place, and it brings in ideas seemingly randomly like a drunkard slurring his sentences.
That's a pretty easily scored point, considering that I remarked only a couple posts after the original post that I had a few beers. Whether or not that's true, you will never know, but have you ever considered that you might be an illiterate person of average intelligence, only capable of absorbing information if it's packed in the spoon-fed language and structure of an average seventh- grader? Keep in mind that our American seventh-graders aren't exactly competitive in testing on the world stage.
ex-runner wrote:
People such as myself are calling it odd not for its content, but for the fact that grammatically it is all over the place, and it brings in ideas seemingly randomly like a drunkard slurring his sentences.
And further: If you don't know how to compare historically great milers by their strengths, weaknesses, and performance-enhancing drug use, I can see why a list of names wouldn't seem to mean much. Here's a clue: Cheserek no got fast foot speed as historic fast guy win big championship long time ago and lately. Uggg. Go hunt mammoth now.