Stupid Yet Serious Question About "The Dreamers"

For most there is no way to do this. The US government doesn't hand out green cards just because you have been here a long time. There is a set list of grounds you can use for applying, such as employment, marriage or immediate family. But in order to be eligible, the applicant needs to demonstrate that they arrived legally and haven't earned any income while here.

To make a living, what a lot of people in this situation will do is they will have a tax number from their consulate or a fake SSN and when they're offered a job they'll check yes that they are a US citizen and will give their employer that tax number or SSN and that's as far as it goes. The form where they have checked that they are a citizen isn't actually sent to the government but is supposed to be kept on file for at least three years. This is how millions are able to work and pay taxes, unless their employee participates in eVerify and they run their SSN or if they get stopped for a traffic violation and then end up in custody.

If we give them amnesty this problem will never end.....5 years down the road we will have another million dreamers.

The first responsibility of our government is toward American citizens, what is best for US, not what is best for illegals...

The people to blame in this situation are the parents of these illegals who brought them here.

In order to apply for citizenship, dreamers would have to have been living in the US for five years as a green card holder (i.e. legal permanent resident). In order to apply for a green card, you have to either be invited by an employer, be a refugee or asylum seeker or have a close family member who is either a citizen or green card holder sponsor you. You can also marry a US citizen and have them sponsor you, but that is subject to a lot of scrutiny and can be difficult to get past INS.

The real problem is that INS limits legal immigration from Mexico to @26,000 a year and there are about 1.3 million people on a waiting list for a green card. That means the typical wait time to get a green card is about a decade and can be as long as 25 years. INS will also not allow more than 7% of legal immigration to come from any one country each year. The idea is to keep any one immigrant group from dominating immigration. This is really the fundamental flaw in the immigration system. The result of this rule is that people from far flung countries or European countries with little immigration to the US can get green cards very quickly while the line for countries with high immigration demand like Mexico is impossibly long. So, Mexicans see that it is essentially futile to try to emigrate legally and cross over illegally to be reunited with family that is already here (this is the number one reason for illegal immigration). The only way to meaningfully end illegal immigration is to open the flood gates on immigration from south of the border to reduce the line so that people applying to come to the US from south of the border can get to the US in a reasonable amount of time.

The simple answer is that, although it was no fault of their own, they came here illegally. So yeah, they are not eligible.

However, I heard on the news yesterday that about 900 dreamers are in the military and somehow this allows them a path the full-on citizenship regardless of the plight of the rest....? Not sure I understand, maybe others who know the system better than I could chime in.

Thanks for the serious responses. Could have looked it up myself, but I figured there would be at least a few knowledgeable people here who could offer up an instant answer.

I realize it's a very complicated and complex issue, but it's kind of a shame that hard-working, tax-paying "illegals" don't have an easier path to citizenship. Especially while able-bodied "Americans" sit on their butts collecting welfare and buying Twinkies with their food stamps because they don't want to work or won't lower themselves to work at McDonalds.

Dreamer Downer wrote:

I realize it's a very complicated and complex issue, but it's kind of a shame that hard-working, tax-paying "illegals" don't have an easier path to citizenship. Especially while able-bodied "Americans" sit on their butts collecting welfare and buying Twinkies with their food stamps because they don't want to work or won't lower themselves to work at McDonalds.

I've always thought that if an illegal can show a solid work history, we should deport a native-born citizen who sits around receiving "disability" for a non-existent condition in their place and just transfer the citizenship over to the immigrant.

Precious Roy wrote:

INS will also not allow more than 7% of legal immigration to come from any one country each year.

Imagine if that was in effect in 1789.

Dreamer Downer wrote:

I realize it's a very complicated and complex issue,

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No it's isnt complex nor complicated. The Baby Boomer Generation is still dominated by White Anglo Male thought. They don't see Mexicans, Arabs, Blacks, Semitic Hapas/Mulattos as equals. IN America each new, successive generation opens thing up to more people. When Gen X, millennials, Gen Y come of age they will allow in more people one by one. That's American history, i.e. change happens slowly and eventually as society advances. It doesn't happen overnight.

Its teh same Race Issue as always wrote:

Dreamer Downer wrote:

I realize it's a very complicated and complex issue,

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No it's isnt complex nor complicated. The Baby Boomer Generation is still dominated by White Anglo Male thought. They don't see Mexicans, Arabs, Blacks, Semitic Hapas/Mulattos as equals. IN America each new, successive generation opens thing up to more people. When Gen X, millennials, Gen Y come of age they will allow in more people one by one. That's American history, i.e. change happens slowly and eventually as society advances. It doesn't happen overnight.

You are unaware of your racism, and you have no idea how much damage it does to society.

truthseakr wrote:

If we give them amnesty this problem will never end.....5 years down the road we will have another million dreamers.

The first responsibility of our government is toward American citizens, what is best for US, not what is best for illegals...

The people to blame in this situation are the parents of these illegals who brought them here.

Truthseakr is making me look bad. He/she gets it right with less than 1/5 th the words I use. It's inspiring.

We still have a problem in the US with White-Anglo Racism against White Hispanics, Semites/Mulattos, Blacks, navtives, Muslims, and Arabs.

There is no such thing as an "illegal alien" to most Amercians.

Its teh same Race Issue as always wrote:

We still have a problem in the US with White-Anglo Racism against White Hispanics, Semites/Mulattos, Blacks, navtives, Muslims, and Arabs.

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No we don't. Where's the evidence?

DiscoGary wrote:

Truthseakr is making me look bad. He/she gets it right with less than 1/5 th the words I use. It's inspiring.

That's because you and him are the most outspoken, close-minded racists on the board. I see you two jumping on every thread, posting your bullshit. You guys are a dying breed, thankfully. Retire to an all-white gated community and let the rest of the world live without hearing your frightened, pathetic nonsense.

two losers wrote:

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You guys are a dying breed, thankfully. Retire to an all-white gated community and let the rest of the world live without hearing your frightened, pathetic nonsense.

Another genocidal leftist comes out of the closet. I'm throwing the red flag here. We have a big problem with anti-white racism in this country. It's going to get a lot of people hurt.

DiscoGary wrote:

Its teh same Race Issue as always wrote:

No it's isnt complex nor complicated. The Baby Boomer Generation is still dominated by White Anglo Male thought. They don't see Mexicans, Arabs, Blacks, Semitic Hapas/Mulattos as equals. IN America each new, successive generation opens thing up to more people. When Gen X, millennials, Gen Y come of age they will allow in more people one by one. That's American history, i.e. change happens slowly and eventually as society advances. It doesn't happen overnight.

You are unaware of your racism, and you have no idea how much damage it does to society.

You tired, unclever "reverse-racism" ploy is so see-through, it's a joke. It's all you've got. You use it everywhere, like a broken, racist record.

DiscoGary wrote:

two losers wrote:

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You guys are a dying breed, thankfully. Retire to an all-white gated community and let the rest of the world live without hearing your frightened, pathetic nonsense.

Another genocidal leftist comes out of the closet. I'm throwing the red flag here. We have a big problem with anti-white racism in this country. It's going to get a lot of people hurt.

lol, the "reverse racism"...... again. You're a scared, pathetic white man who feels threatened. Again, you're a dying breed, and all you have is this pathetic, see-through "reverse racism" shtick that just screams of fear.

These hardworking immigrants would be a great asset to their home countries. Since we all know now they wouldn't be returning to shirthole countries, it would be a great opportunity for them to work hard to help better themselves in their home country.

scared white man wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

Another genocidal leftist comes out of the closet. I'm throwing the red flag here. We have a big problem with anti-white racism in this country. It's going to get a lot of people hurt.

lol, the "reverse racism"...... again. You're a scared, pathetic white man who feels threatened. Again, you're a dying breed, and all you have is this pathetic, see-through "reverse racism" shtick that just screams of fear.

It's far worse than racism. It's genocidal hatred. It's the Big Lie all over again, and it's out in the open for all to see.

Still perfectly legal for rich Asians, Europeans, Russians, etc, to fly their pregnant women here to give birth to a "native born" US Citizen who can then return at adulthood to claim whatever benefits exist without ever having worked for anything at all.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-flock-to-trump-properties-to-give-birth-to-us-citizens

I'll take the hardworking Mexicans, btw. At least they contribute.