Katelyn Touhy- 15:37

Fagtvvgyabgyv wrote:

The 14 y.o record is held by Nancy Wambui (a different Wambui), who ran 15:22 outdoor (in Nairobi at 1795m altitude!). It is still her 5000m PB. Yes, very difficult to believe.

The 15 y.o Chinese girl referred to in previous post, is Ling-ling Guo, who ran 15:08.4 (outdoor) at age 15, which is obviously difficult to believe also.

The 16 y.o. record is held by Meseret Defar, who ran 15:08.3. This one I believe. She was 16y261d old when she ran that time in Heusden. Actually, I am surprised that she was not faster at that age.

The chances that Nancy was actually 14 is highly unlikely, she could have been as old as 20. 15:22 for an untrained 14 y.o at altitude is otherworldly. Kenya does have age group competitions, but they simply compete, they don't have organized training until they start secondary school with is usually at age 15. All of the age group records over 400m are a joke, not a single one is valid.

look ahead, not back wrote:

Deadstream wrote:

Katelyn Tuohy's biggest high school to college transition challenge is going to be finding a college coach who's willing to say, "Her high school coaches handled her perfectly...how do I not f**k this up???"

You don't know if her HS coaches are handling her well. Just because she is running fast now doesn't mean they are doing it right. She has said in interviews after NXN, that she knew no one else had worked as hard.

Come back in two+ years and we shall see.

Yes. I do.

She would have been #1 on my high school state champion boys team (fastest guys on the team barely broke 16).

YMMV wrote:

dsrunner wrote:

Poster's keep trying to convert her 5000 time for comparison to male.

Age-grading isn't reliable, necessary or helpful but bio-banding is of use here.

Also, HS males are still much deeper in depth so the comparison isn't accurate.

We're still recovering from decades of discrimination against women in sport.

The most basic comparison is to adjust for gender only since, if anything, Touhy is further along in her development than other 10th graders.

The time is not worth < 14'

You are utterly clueless on evaluating performances. Just stop.

Calm down, he's closer to the truth than you. Just because women's running doesn't have nearly the competitive depth as the men, doesn't mean you grade on a curve for women. The ultimate comparison is each gender vs the best ever performed for their gender. the WR for women in 5k is 14:11. As we've seen in recent years, indoor performances are not far off outdoors, but if you want to give Touhy a generous indoor to outdoor conversion, let's give her 15:30-15:32 to be rather generous. That means her time is about 109-110% of outdoor world record. Taking the men's WR, and using same % difference, you could get about 13:50. And, as I said, that's with a generous indoor to outdoor conversion. (so other poster is correct, without indoor to outdoor conversion, 15:37 would be about 13:55 for boys).

Remember, this is for a soph running solo. Verzbicas as a frosh of soph age ran about 14:18 indoors solo. So, yes, better than that, and that was pretty damn good (of course it was LV's first year of HS running, and he did come back the *next day* and run sub 9:00 for the deuce. What a talent)

But people saying it's worth 13:30's or lower for boys/men, no way no how. 13:50-55.

Lol. wrote:

I wonder how embarrassed Patrick must be he’s slower than his baby sister now.

Idk, running 15:44 is pretty impressive in its own right. I'm guessing he'd be proud of her rather than threatened by her success.

Hmm... get this girl to Arcadia wrote:

What’s its equivalent for a male mile?

3.14 times as far

Comparing a track 5000 to a XC 5000 is obviously dumb. Patrick was faster than Katelyn on average by about 20 seconds over 5K in 2017 XC when it appears they both ran their fastest. At the Ocean Breeze Freedom Games recently (Jan 7) Patrick ran 9:35 for 3200 while Katelyn ran 9:05 for 3000. He ran a 1:58 800 at the same meet Katelyn ran 15:37. She isn't quite as fast as he is. She's probably leaner too so he's got more room for improvement. I'm willing to bet she wouldn't be quite as fast if her older brother wasn't running as well and I agree I'm sure he's super proud of her.

WTFBBQ wrote:

Lol. wrote:

I wonder how embarrassed Patrick must be he’s slower than his baby sister now.

Idk, running 15:44 is pretty impressive in its own right. I'm guessing he'd be proud of her rather than threatened by her success.

YMMV wrote:

IAAF tables give it 1092 pts which is 13:33 for men, so move over Galen Rupp.

What I wonder is what does it take to get this girl excited? She runs one of the greatest performances in prep history and in the interview it's like she just washed the car and took the dog out for a walk.

Good observation. I noticed this too. She's a little robotic but hopefully that will pass with maturity.

[quote]you guys are dumb wrote:

Comparing a track 5000 to a XC 5000 is obviously dumb. Patrick was faster than Katelyn on average by about 20 seconds over 5K in 2017 XC when it appears they both ran their fastest.

At the Ocean Breeze Freedom Games recently (Jan 7) Patrick ran 9:35 for 3200 while Katelyn ran 9:05 for 3000. He ran a 1:58 800 at the same meet Katelyn ran 15:37. She isn't quite as fast as he is. She's probably leaner too so he's got more room for improvement.

I'm willing to bet she wouldn't be quite as fast if her older brother wasn't running as well and I agree I'm sure he's super proud of her.

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Yes, her brother could probably run 15:15 to 15:20, which is pretty good.

ocracoke wrote:

YMMV wrote:

IAAF tables give it 1092 pts which is 13:33 for men, so move over Galen Rupp.

What I wonder is what does it take to get this girl excited? She runs one of the greatest performances in prep history and in the interview it's like she just washed the car and took the dog out for a walk.

Good observation. I noticed this too. She's a little robotic but hopefully that will pass with maturity.

How many interviews have you watched of hers? How many interviews have you given? You have no idea what happened right before it, how she was feeling, etc. She's 15 years old (I'm guessing, close enough anyway) and doing quite well with her interviews, regardless of your evaluation of her performance.

If anyone was trying to watch it but didn't have a subscription, Flotrack believe it or not put it on YouTube for free viewing.

https://youtu.be/vCtnx6Jonkk

Katelyn Tuohy NATIONAL RECORD 15:37 5000m

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCtnx6Jonkk&t=0s

Fyi wrote:

If anyone was trying to watch it but didn't have a subscription, Flotrack believe it or not put it on YouTube for free viewing.

https://youtu.be/vCtnx6Jonkk

She was smiling throughout that run. Just unreal.

Thank you, Flotrack. Apologies for implying that you exist solely to inflict misery on track fans.

I guess I was concerned about the angle during contact from the knee to the foot. It reminds me a bit of Ritz's.