Katelyn Touhy- 15:37

The 14 y.o record is held by Nancy Wambui (a different Wambui), who ran 15:22 outdoor (in Nairobi at 1795m altitude!). It is still her 5000m PB. Yes, very difficult to believe.

The 15 y.o Chinese girl referred to in previous post, is Ling-ling Guo, who ran 15:08.4 (outdoor) at age 15, which is obviously difficult to believe also.

The 16 y.o. record is held by Meseret Defar, who ran 15:08.3. This one I believe. She was 16y261d old when she ran that time in Heusden. Actually, I am surprised that she was not faster at that age.

Nice interview after NXN:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Katelyn+Tuohy+&&view=detail&mid=94AFB5C6D39107CD563D94AFB5C6D39107CD563D&&FORM=VDRVRV

coach wrote:

[quote]cvoet55 wrote:

I don't think burnout is going to be the main issue. Her coach has made it clear that they're being very careful with mileage and keeping training fun while at the same time intense.

I believe the coach you referred to is her XC c oach not her track coach. Who knows how she trains for track.

Is using different coaches for xc and long distance track common. At my school I coach cross country during fall and long distance during spring as do all the coaches that I've talked to from my area. What would be a school's motivation for changing coaches even though it is most of the same athletes? Also, what do xc coaches do in the spring and offseason if they don't coach distance kids?

Tx coach wrote:

coach wrote:

[quote]cvoet55 wrote:

I don't think burnout is going to be the main issue. Her coach has made it clear that they're being very careful with mileage and keeping training fun while at the same time intense.

I believe the coach you referred to is her XC c oach not her track coach. Who knows how she trains for track.

Is using different coaches for xc and long distance track common. At my school I coach cross country during fall and long distance during spring as do all the coaches that I've talked to from my area. What would be a school's motivation for changing coaches even though it is most of the same athletes? Also, what do xc coaches do in the spring and offseason if they don't coach distance kids?

Not sure if it's super common, but I think coach Diglio only does XC and winter track because he's also the softball coach.

Softball wrote:

Tx coach wrote:

Is using different coaches for xc and long distance track common. At my school I coach cross country during fall and long distance during spring as do all the coaches that I've talked to from my area. What would be a school's motivation for changing coaches even though it is most of the same athletes? Also, what do xc coaches do in the spring and offseason if they don't coach distance kids?

Not sure if it's super common, but I think coach Diglio only does XC and winter track because he's also the softball coach.

Wow that is an odd combination cross country/softball, where I'm at the track coach helps with football and does offseason track during fall and sprints during the spring, allowing me to just keep my distance kids year round.

Zola Budd's career was unusual in that she mainly trained and raced barefoot.

In February 1985, she was World Cross Country Champion (beating Ingrid Kristiansen).

She then went on to break the UK and Commonwealth records for the 1500 m (in 3:59.96), the mile (4:17.57), the 3000m (8:28.83) and the 5000m (14:48.07), which was a world record by ten seconds.

Zola did this barefoot at age 19.

Her best times in the 1500m, mile run and 3000m were set in races with Decker-Slaney (doper) and Maricica Puică (Romanian doper).

Budd finished third in all three races, with Decker-Slaney and Puică consistently coming first and second respectively.

Poster's keep trying to convert her 5000 time for comparison to male.

Age-grading isn't reliable, necessary or helpful but bio-banding is of use here.

Also, HS males are still much deeper in depth so the comparison isn't accurate.

We're still recovering from decades of discrimination against women in sport.

The most basic comparison is to adjust for gender only since, if anything, Touhy is further along in her development than other 10th graders.

The time is not worth < 14'

dsrunner wrote:

Poster's keep trying to convert her 5000 time for comparison to male.

Age-grading isn't reliable, necessary or helpful but bio-banding is of use here.

Also, HS males are still much deeper in depth so the comparison isn't accurate.

We're still recovering from decades of discrimination against women in sport.

The most basic comparison is to adjust for gender only since, if anything, Touhy is further along in her development than other 10th graders.

The time is not worth < 14'

You are utterly clueless on evaluating performances. Just stop.

Comunism did work in sports wrote:

Drug (Sala)Czar wrote:

Yes, she ran a 13:27 indoor 5K. She ran a sub-4 mile, too. Wow! How was that possible? Wheaties... laced with... the best that the Chinese federation could find.

No, gullible readers, she didn't really run a 13:27 or sub-4, but whatever her times were, no doubt her Wheaties were laced with something in 2001.

Sad to think they would start her doping as young as 15, even under comunism... Sadly though all remarkable times need to be questioned, especialy those times that were made without a biological passport or otherwise reliable testing.

Do not doubt for one second the willingness of state-run programs in communist nations to do absolutely anything to achieve results.

You may have heard of a phrase: "The end justifies the means"

This is great that she ran so fast but Flotrack owns the rights $$$$ to the race and most high school kids can't watch it because of the selfish pigs that work at Flotrack!

Eloise Wellings (Poppett) had anorexia throughout her teen years, and ws diagnosed with osteoporosis by the age of 16. There was a newspaper article detailing her struggles with an ED which led to her having the bone density of a 78year old women at age 17.

Sadly, her up-and-down career is the result of many stress fractures from anorexia--kudos to her tenacity!

Does anyone know how Flotrack is doing financially? Any hope that they'll go under and we can return to the glory days of broad access to a variety of free race video sources?

"In 2 years-can she break Budd's 15:01 age 17 record? Now that would be amazing."

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Yea.... that would be amazing to see! Budd was insanely fast and barefoot too!

Do you think that Grace Ping has a chance against her yet or she 40 seconds or more behind at this point?

That would be an amazing race!

webby wrote:

Does anyone know how Flotrack is doing financially? Any hope that they'll go under and we can return to the glory days of broad access to a variety of free race video sources?

Do you listen to the House of Run podcast? If not you should, its one of the only podcasts I subscribe to.

But anyways, Flotrack just hired one of the two hosts to do some amount of work, he writes articles and appears in the videos. But this guy moved with his wife and two young children to move from California to Austin. From that I assumed that Flotrack pays rather well, so they must be doing ok. Although he could be replacing someone.

Anyways I think Flotrack is a bad business and bad for the sport. I mean, how can you charge for a stream only to have the quality be awful? And of course there content is mostly forgettable, LetsRun has better articles espeically the inverstigative pieces.

Last year Flotrack was glorifying Kate Murphy and now she is hurt before even running one race as a Duck. Let Touhy progress slowly so that she does not end up like Mary Cain and others.

I hate all of the conversions or comparisons. Men get conversions for altitude which have proven to be fairly accurate. When they come down, they run that time. Touhy won’t run 14:00 because she won’t magically be converted to a faster version male. She ran 15:37, that’s it. She is nowhere near as fast as males her age. I think females are equal to males in every way but we must try to compare a slower female to a faster male? Only sexists would say that females are not as competent as males in a sport and therefore would need their own separate category. If we are all equal, she ran 15:37 but she wouldn’t even make it into the field to compete against the overall best HS runners. I have stated it in other posts, I enjoy female track as much as male track but not when we try to bump females to the level of males when we continue to keep a separate category for them in order for them to be competitive. It’s just like age groups for men. When Touhy competes for a grade in English or math or science, she gets graded on the same scale as the boys.

Katelyn's very good when you compare her to the male athlete who shares 99.9% of her genetics: her brother.

Patrick Tuohy is a senior at North Rockland who runs a 15:44 in the 5k. Katelyn is seven seconds faster than her brother who is two years older. He also happens to be the fastest boy on his team, and competitive at the state level as well. Oops.

I wonder how embarrassed Patrick must be he’s slower than his baby sister now.

This is awkward... wrote:Katelyn's very good when you compare her to the male athlete who shares 99.9% of her genetics: her brother.

Her brother only shares 50% of her genetics.