she ran for 24 hours and raised money for a legit charity. this is a commendable thing.
...the exact distance or whether she used the handrails isnt all that import
she's not claiming a WR or using the stunt promote an upcoming book or further a career in motivational speaking.
seems like an honest effort done with the right intentions, even if the numbers are a little sketchy.
I've always been impressed with Tara Langdon, especially since she ran that tough 10k on the track with Jordan Hasay, I wish she had kept on and trained seriously for the marathon, but perhaps the ultra distances are more interesting to her.
fair play wrote:
she ran for 24 hours and raised money for a legit charity. this is a commendable thing.
...the exact distance or whether she used the handrails isnt all that import
she's not claiming a WR or using the stunt promote an upcoming book or further a career in motivational speaking.
seems like an honest effort done with the right intentions, even if the numbers are a little sketchy.
I can agree with this to some degree. She's definitely no Amy Hughes! She is a legit ultra runner and a neat person too.
But I agree with Calibration King's main issues too.
1) The numbers are wrong and it makes her look bad regardless of intent
2) She could have put the effort in on a legitimate 24hr race and seen what she could have done. It seems like a hell of a waste of a major effort. As has been said, she could have done any 24hr race for the charity
I don't understand why there wouldn't be any cadence data when she's wearing a footpod. It gets recorded in the fit file even if you don't display it.
Look at her strava, read her weird ultra runner former addict blog (seriously is it an entry requirement) , form your own opinion.
Speaking as a top US 24-hour runner, who is very familiar with all of the top 24-hour runners... there is no way this is legit. And it makes me sad.
Yes Tara is very talented. But she is not at the top tier. If she would pace a little better she could maybe hit mid 140s. But to go from a PR of 132 to 161... and the (overall, not treadmill) World Record is 161.5... just set last year, no woman had ever run over 160 before... AND to take over an hour and a half of breaks(!)... I'm sorry, it's just not possible. I mean, WTF.
I'm not saying she set out to fake it. Most likely, the TM calibration is way off. If she is really that much faster than just a few months ago, why not go down to FASTtrack last weekend in Florida and make the national team? That is after all her goal.
She even got a callout on irunfar.com for her effort, where they noted that if properly documented, it would break the TM WR. That's press, that's ego. It's also, I'm sorry to say, justification for her to continue to go out WAY too fast and blow up at her actual races. She could do so much better.
You know what, giving her full benefit of the doubt, my footpod is about 15% off uncalibrated and more like 5% if you calibrate at the same pace you're going to run at. Any changes throw it way off. 160 x .85 = 136 which I will take people's word for that she is capable of.
But good lord there is something off about running in circles for all of your training. At least ultra folks are out on the trails when not hiding in the crapper.
24-hour elite wrote:
Speaking as a top US 24-hour runner, who is very familiar with all of the top 24-hour runners... there is no way this is legit. And it makes me sad.
Yes Tara is very talented. But she is not at the top tier. If she would pace a little better she could maybe hit mid 140s. But to go from a PR of 132 to 161... and the (overall, not treadmill) World Record is 161.5... just set last year, no woman had ever run over 160 before... AND to take over an hour and a half of breaks(!)... I'm sorry, it's just not possible. I mean, WTF.
I'm not saying she set out to fake it. Most likely, the TM calibration is way off. If she is really that much faster than just a few months ago, why not go down to FASTtrack last weekend in Florida and make the national team? That is after all her goal.
She even got a callout on irunfar.com for her effort, where they noted that if properly documented, it would break the TM WR. That's press, that's ego. It's also, I'm sorry to say, justification for her to continue to go out WAY too fast and blow up at her actual races. She could do so much better.
This!
You said it better than I could. Thank you.
I imagine a lot of the top 24hr runners like yourself feel the same way. I hope she can be humble enough to listena dn learn from her peers. She will be a better runner and a better person for it if she can.
I wish her well for the future.
asdfasd wrote:
You know what, giving her full benefit of the doubt, my footpod is about 15% off uncalibrated and more like 5% if you calibrate at the same pace you're going to run at. Any changes throw it way off. 160 x .85 = 136 which I will take people's word for that she is capable of.
But good lord there is something off about running in circles for all of your training. At least ultra folks are out on the trails when not hiding in the crapper.
If you frequently use a footpod, what you need is a Stryd.
I'm very sure if I ran on a thread mill for 24 hours I'd get the world record. I'm far from literally elite, but the world records are soft in threadmills. But I would make sure it is calibrated before starting. I wonder how many miles Bekele would do. Now that would be scary. I literally think a 210+ miles would be on the cards.
Hmmmdjdj wrote:
On fb she is saying it "won't upload" to strava and Garmin connect doesn't show any splits for an unknown reason.
Why do these cheaters and charlatans have such a difficult time uploading data? It seems to only happen to them.
Oh boy, here we go again. Marathon and 24-hour are as different as marathon and 100 meter. No top marathoner would stand a chance at 24-hour; they're optimized for something different. Marathon is all about LT; above a pretty low baseline, LT is irrelevant for 24-hour. Marathons are about burning carbs; 24-hour is about burning fat. Marathon is about the most energy-efficient form; 24-hour is about the form that does the least cumulative muscle damage. And on and on. Kouros' WR of 188+ is head and shoulders above anyone else. He famously claimed it was "a mark that would stand for centuries". He may be right. 210?! Only if he's on a bike. Yes the treadmill records are by and large soft, because how many people run them with proper documentation, as compared to actual races? Still, the 153-mile women's treadmill WR is better than the overall women's American Record stood just a year ago (152). It's a pretty solid mark. There are maybe a dozen women in the world who could beat it, if they cared to. Which they wouldn't. Because they don't care about Guinness records.
Banana Bread wrote:
I'm very sure if I ran on a thread mill for 24 hours I'd get the world record. I'm far from literally elite, but the world records are soft in threadmills. But I would make sure it is calibrated before starting. I wonder how many miles Bekele would do. Now that would be scary. I literally think a 210+ miles would be on the cards.
It was all for charity:
On fb
"Bob Mohr
Much of the point is missed here. This event was a fundraiser for a safehouse and to raise awareness about domestic violence! There were 21 people involved running on treadmills or riding on bike trainers in 4 different states!! Together we topped 3000 miles but that does not matter!! We raised almost $5000.00 in 24 hrs to help change families lives!! Tara continuously posted what this event was about as we all did!!"
Funny, isn’t it? wrote:
Hmmmdjdj wrote:
On fb she is saying it "won't upload" to strava and Garmin connect doesn't show any splits for an unknown reason.
Why do these cheaters and charlatans have such a difficult time uploading data? It seems to only happen to them.
Don't have a hissy fit, Nancy. Think before you type. Better yet, go out and run a 10 minute mile.
Here's her Strava tracking:
https://www.strava.com/activities/1370075890TheOhioState wrote:
Funny, isn’t it? wrote:
Why do these cheaters and charlatans have such a difficult time uploading data? It seems to only happen to them.
Don't have a hissy fit, Nancy. Think before you type. Better yet, go out and run a 10 minute mile.
Here's her Strava tracking:
https://www.strava.com/activities/1370075890
Why is there cadence for her other zwift run but not this one?
Banana Bread wrote:
I'm very sure if I ran on a thread mill for 24 hours I'd get the world record. I'm far from literally elite, but the world records are soft in threadmills. But I would make sure it is calibrated before starting. I wonder how many miles Bekele would do. Now that would be scary. I literally think a 210+ miles would be on the cards.
What is a threadmill?
And is there a difference between elite and literally elite? Also, do you ever just think, or is it always literally thinking?
The video starts her character is running but she is not in the room??
TheOhioState wrote:
Funny, isn’t it? wrote:
Why do these cheaters and charlatans have such a difficult time uploading data? It seems to only happen to them.
Don't have a hissy fit, Nancy. Think before you type. Better yet, go out and run a 10 minute mile.
Here's her Strava tracking:
https://www.strava.com/activities/1370075890
Why no cadence?
Something is fishy
Thanks for bringing this to light, tOSU. You may get your name on the busting cheaters plaque with the ones who busted Litton, Rossi, Young, Agnew, etc.
You can’t hide, cheaters.
Should have just left it at 24 hours for charity, instead of hyping a completely unverifiable mileage.
-only fixed time looped races?
-won by 30 miles, improved by 40 over last year?
-restroom by the start line...
-that blog. cmon.
Looks like Tara swam a lot according to Strava.
The Youtube video showed her running in the basement.
Now its on a weird Island on Strava?
This must be a scam.
on strava she claims her marathon pb is 3:19:06 based on a strava run not a race point 1 strava dosnt count for pb's point 2 look at the start and end point of that run https://www.strava.com/activities/1299365196 when if it was a true marathon theyd be 195 meters apart marathon being 42195 meters