How to improve Sage Canaday marathon time.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:

Telling not spelling bro.....

Sace Ganaday...... wrote:

Who is Joe Grey? I have heard of Joe Gray and Jon Grey. Is that like a relay team when they split a race?

That would be okay if there wasn't another runner with a very similar name but there is and that makes it a glowing mistake. There have been races where they have run against each other.

asdfasdfsdfsd wrote:

theclaws wrote:

But really, I think he should just devote 2018 to marathon training and faster.

He can't really do that. He is sponsored because of his performances in ultras (the mid-length ones, not the 100 milers), not the marathon. Thus is "any surface, any distance" thing is not just a motto but it is also something of a requirement for him. To keep sponsorship he has to be competitive in ultras; to stay relevant on youtube/social media/etc. he needs to connect with his audience, most of whom are marathoners (or want to be) rather than ultra runners.

So all of these suggestions to run 5ks and 10ks and this and that are not really practical given his career situation.

But I agree he could get in the weight-room. He admitted he was "lazy" when it came to some of the weight stuff this cycle.

well....then he has to make a decision of what is his priority is then based on what he's trying to do with the marathon . boo hoo:

(1) don't do ultras and qualify for the marathon trials (and get 70th place) and maybe lose his sweet sponsor gig

OR

(2) keep doing ultras and living in Boulder and have a sweet sponsorship gig and chime in on Letsrun. and run beautiful mountains and continue to not garner respect from distance runners on letsrun who competed in college

OR

(3) keep doing ultras, modify his training a tiny bit to work on 5k/10k speed, do some extra lifting and keep his sweet sponsorship gig.

seems like a no-brainer, but we runners have irrational goals and desires.

i know a 2:13 marathoner who has a full-time job and no sponsor. If I was Sage, i would keep doing what he's doing and maybe modify towards option 3 and get his little 2:18 or whatever and do the trials. he knows he can't run much faster than that so just qualifying is his olympics

rosemary and thyme, but not Sage wrote:

(3) keep doing ultras, modify his training a tiny bit to work on 5k/10k speed, do some extra lifting and keep his sweet sponsorship gig.

seems like a no-brainer, but we runners have irrational goals and desires.

i know a 2:13 marathoner who has a full-time job and no sponsor. If I was Sage, i would keep doing what he's doing and maybe modify towards option 3 and get his little 2:18 or whatever and do the trials. he knows he can't run much faster than that so just qualifying is his olympics

Gotta love the 3 hour marathoner who knows better than Sage how to get his "little" 2:18

Hardloper wrote:

rosemary and thyme, but not Sage wrote:

(3) keep doing ultras, modify his training a tiny bit to work on 5k/10k speed, do some extra lifting and keep his sweet sponsorship gig.

seems like a no-brainer, but we runners have irrational goals and desires.

i know a 2:13 marathoner who has a full-time job and no sponsor. If I was Sage, i would keep doing what he's doing and maybe modify towards option 3 and get his little 2:18 or whatever and do the trials. he knows he can't run much faster than that so just qualifying is his olympics

Gotta love the 3 hour marathoner who knows better than Sage how to get his "little" 2:18

+1

LOL

JoeMFGray wrote:

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:

Agreed with this - he should run what Joe Grey runs and create a good rivalry they both can play off and turn into a marketing event.

+1

Only problem is Joe Gray would kick Sage's butt very often without an agreement.

This might have been the last time they raced. If not, it's fairly recent. Sage beat Joe:

This is a simple fix. Sage needs to get himself some Nike 4% and sign up for CIM. Those two factors alone will cut his time by 2 minutes.

Winning wrote:

Never saw him before wrote:

Are you guys suggesting this person needs to lose weight?

https://www.runnersworld.com/sites/runnersworld.com/files/Canaday_Main.jpg

I don't he has to lose weight. He is about the same size as Robert De Castella . who ran a 2:07:51 marathon.

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/australia/robert-de-castella-639https://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/de/rob-de-castella-1.html

Sage, get Sandy to research de Castella's training and train in a similar way. Including regular short distance racing, as short as 3000m on the track. Race your next marathon on a course that's known as 'fast' (London for example) and likely to be deep and competitive around the 2:17-2:19 level.

I think his name is holding him back. "Sage Canaday" seems a little soft. "Habanero Americay" would probably shave a few minutes off his time.

Drugs or better drugs.

Never saw him before wrote:

Are you guys suggesting this person needs to lose weight?

https://www.runnersworld.com/sites/runnersworld.com/files/Canaday_Main.jpg

I hate to fat shame but man, that tub of lard needs to drop a few grams!

Forget the Mara, just stick with ultras. The MUT community > LR nerds, plus trail running (and trail runners) are just COOL.

asdfsdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasd wrote:

I think the OTQ thing is also partially based on two factors. First, being a marathon guy helps him connect with a lot of people on social media, youtube, etc. It's good for the brand. Everyone and their mother runs a marathon these days. Ultras are still a bit on the fringe, though they are growing. Second, I don't think he feels completely at home in the hippy dippy weed-smoking long-hair freak-show ultra community. He grew up as a cross country/track guy and that's where he feels the most comfortable (more the former than the latter in terms of community of course). He still talks fondly about his 5k and 8k times from high school. Who in the ultra community does that? What's Jim Walmsley's 5k PR? Who knows? Who cares?

He can connect with a lot of people on YouTube by just giving advice. He knows how to train for a marathon. So videos doesn't need to be only about his training. He could explain what kind of training is needed and when. Or he could even coach someone else to reach a target. For example sub 2.30. What I'm saying is that he's not losing his followers if he decides to stop racing road marathons.

I agree with you about that second issue. It must be tough to be around those bearded guys who don't take showers.

This was a long time ago. They raced 3 times 2017, just checked. Gray crushed him by large margins every single time. They aren't in same class. Do better research come on, there is this thing called google

Serious answer: he needs to get back to running with a group or getting a real coach. It's no surprise his best times came while with the Hansons Brooks project and running with a group. It seems like he is always running solo or with his girlfriend/coach. Self coaching is only taking him so far. He needs to swallow his pride a little and seek outside advice. Just my 2 cents. Ryan Hall fell into the same trap and drifted towards irrelevance.

Not Fast But Furious wrote:

Serious answer: he needs to get back to running with a group or getting a real coach. It's no surprise his best times came while with the Hansons Brooks project and running with a group. It seems like he is always running solo or with his girlfriend/coach. Self coaching is only taking him so far. He needs to swallow his pride a little and seek outside advice. Just my 2 cents. Ryan Hall fell into the same trap and drifted towards irrelevance.

He doesn't need a coach. He knows enough to do it himself. It's just like OP said, the ultra running is hindering specific goal focus.

As for Joe gray, he is a league ahead of sage. Would be cool to see what gray can do on the road

San Diego hobby jogger wrote:

He doesn't need a coach. He knows enough to do it himself. It's just like OP said, the ultra running is hindering specific goal focus.

Sage ran 2:19:50 while training for ultras, and not even recovered enough from them to do any marathon training. Personally I consider that much better than running 2:16 while focusing entirely for years on the marathon. His potential for the marathon is just as good now as it was way back then, and probably better, but now he's focused on ultras, because that's what he wants to do.

I think it is a bit incorrect to argue that Sage did not meet his goal because he was "focused on ultras." In many ways ultra training, at least the way Sage does it, is similar to marathon training. Lots of volume, lots of easy paced runs, and some faster stuff. Sage wasn't doing track workouts when prepping for UTMB, but he was doing tempo work and uptempo types of stuff. It's not like he was running 100 mpw at 12:00/pace.

Jo ran a 2:18 marathon on the road I believe. Finished mid pack at the Oly Trials.

Sage is within a minute of him in a trail half recently with X-terra. At 26.2 and 50km or longer on the trails Joe falters. He is very good from 10km and half marathon mountain-trail running.

Heard on an interview he got injured or something the day before his last trail marathon, a mishap.

To say Sage was a minute within him at xterra is a little ho-hum. Gray was winning by nearly 2 mins early according to director and his since removed strava data. Pretty sure since it was a new course he just jogged it in. Xterra is lame, no benefit to those guys to chase records or time incentive.