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  • Man Overboard
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 9:25am CST
    re: Racket
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    Racket wrote:

    Semi's cause more damage to the road over time because they weigh more. Youtube and Netflix doesn't hurt the copper/fiber anymore than Letsrun. This is all about ISPs getting in on the streaming money grab.


    They don't hurt the actual hardware, but they clog up the road, so to speak.
  • Yes_conservatives_protected
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 9:33am CST
    re: adiBRO
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    YES!

    Success!

    The IRS and Barack Hussein Obama attacked conservatives, Christians and Patriots (Giving Barack Barry Sotero Hussein Obama the 2012 Presidential win, Romney was ripped off, snaked).

    Conservatives will not be attacked via Net Neutrality.

    A win for freedom

    A defeat for big government, govt is not love, govt is for by the barrel of a gun
  • The Proven idiot
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 9:36am CST
    re: DuhMyBrain
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    DuhMyBrain wrote:

    Luv2Run wrote:

    This is really stupid...

    Nothing under the regulations or in the days way back before net neutrality (pre-2015) prevented the Johnson's from making this a premium site that you needed to pay to access.


    That's not the issue. I have two choices for ISPs in my area. They might decide to make me pay extra to visit LRC, while instead favoring their own shitty running website. They might slow the bandwidth of the traffic down to LRC if they want to squeeze further.

    It's all about a fair playing field.


    he's An idiot. What do u expect from luv2run? He Can't even spell
  • freeamerica
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 9:38am CST
    re: The Proven idiot
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    capitalism is best. those socialistic restrictions needed to be repealed. best would be to have no restrictions at all
  • $$$$$$
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 9:55am CST
    re: freeamerica
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    I just moved a lot of my investments over to ISPs. They will be rolling in it until Trump is given the boot.
  • Fentrekker
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 10:34am CST
    re: Man Overboard
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    Man Overboard wrote:

    sissu wrote:

    All three branches of your American Federal government have become such a joke. You use public--tax payer money--to do research and then you hand the fruits over to corporations and may everyone pay even more for the technology than you paid in taxes originally. You complain about our high European taxes, but at least we only pay for things one time.


    Damn, I forgot that the internet was Al Gore's invention and that the federal government was responsible for shelling out the trillions of dollars required for the internet infrastructure we have today. Silly me.


    Your reply makes no sense whatsoever, and certainly does not address the point that was being made.
  • Fentrekker
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 10:54am CST
    re: Yes_conservatives_protected
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    Yes_conservatives_protected wrote:

    YES!

    Success!

    The IRS and Barack Hussein Obama attacked conservatives, Christians and Patriots (Giving Barack Barry Sotero Hussein Obama the 2012 Presidential win, Romney was ripped off, snaked).

    Conservatives will not be attacked via Net Neutrality.

    A win for freedom

    A defeat for big government, govt is not love, govt is for by the barrel of a gun


    Freedom must be the most abused word in the English language. The word is so often used with the notion that one person's freedom is not contingent upon another's reduction of liberty. In this particular case, the average person's access to information and economic action is pitted against the greed of a small group of wealthy corporate individuals. So, your "freedom" is basically mammon for the 1% and greater restrictions upon everyone else. Curious notion of freedom.
  • know my stuff
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 1:31pm CST
    re: Nutella1
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    Nutella1 wrote:

    No one cares about the traffic generated by letsrun. That's the ISP's least concern.

    Currently, 80% of Internet traffic is basically youtube and netflix. And they make millions off of it and they don't provide the "pipes"; ISP's do.

    So why not make youtube and netflix pay more?

    Compare with tolls on a road bridge. Pedestrians are free (=letsrun), 16 wheelers pay extra (=youtube).


    1) Net neutrality already lets you charge by "weight" or "damage to the road". More bandwidth = higher bill. What Comcast and Verizon want to do by eliminating NN is charge high amounts for Netflix trucks but let their own semis cross for free.

    2) With net neutrality, nobody cares about letsrun because ISPs only charge by bandwidth and letsrun doesn't use much. But now that NN is eliminated, someone like Flotrack can cut a deal with Comcast so that Flotrack comes free but Letsrun costs extra.
  • oberver
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 2:06pm CST
    re: know my stuff
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    This is about getting what you paid for.

    Verizon paid for the FCC, so they get to corrupt it to their heart's content.

    Fair is fair.
  • Racket
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    3 years ago 12/15/2017 2:11pm CST
    re: know my stuff
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    know my stuff wrote:

    Nutella1 wrote:

    No one cares about the traffic generated by letsrun. That's the ISP's least concern.

    Currently, 80% of Internet traffic is basically youtube and netflix. And they make millions off of it and they don't provide the "pipes"; ISP's do.

    So why not make youtube and netflix pay more?

    Compare with tolls on a road bridge. Pedestrians are free (=letsrun), 16 wheelers pay extra (=youtube).


    1) Net neutrality already lets you charge by "weight" or "damage to the road". More bandwidth = higher bill. What Comcast and Verizon want to do by eliminating NN is charge high amounts for Netflix trucks but let their own semis cross for free.

    2) With net neutrality, nobody cares about letsrun because ISPs only charge by bandwidth and letsrun doesn't use much. But now that NN is eliminated, someone like Flotrack can cut a deal with Comcast so that Flotrack comes free but Letsrun costs extra.


    I meant to add your first point to my own on the previous page, so thank you! As for the second point, while I agree it's now a thing that could happen, I doubt it actually will happen. ISPs aren't really in the business of pimping out websites (but maybe they'll start!). They're much more interested in grabbing a piece of the game/movie/tv show streaming pie. Why invest and create their own service when they can just hit up Netflix for a ton of money?
  • FREEDUMB
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 2:12pm CST
    re: Fentrekker
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    Fentrekker wrote:

    Yes_conservatives_protected wrote:

    YES!

    Success!

    The IRS and Barack Hussein Obama attacked conservatives, Christians and Patriots (Giving Barack Barry Sotero Hussein Obama the 2012 Presidential win, Romney was ripped off, snaked).

    Conservatives will not be attacked via Net Neutrality.

    A win for freedom

    A defeat for big government, govt is not love, govt is for by the barrel of a gun


    Freedom must be the most abused word in the English language. The word is so often used with the notion that one person's freedom is not contingent upon another's reduction of liberty. In this particular case, the average person's access to information and economic action is pitted against the greed of a small group of wealthy corporate individuals. So, your "freedom" is basically mammon for the 1% and greater restrictions upon everyone else. Curious notion of freedom.


    we will soon be free to pay more to the quasi monopolies.
    the cost will be sent to us, one way or another.
    why? why does a dog lick ......?

    we already about 2x more than UK or Germany .

    I wonder why....why could that be.....?

    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?displayCurrency=USD&itemId=33&region=150
  • FREEDUMB
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 2:19pm CST
    re: Deal with it
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    Deal with it wrote:

    DuhMyBrain wrote:

    That's not the issue. I have two choices for ISPs in my area. They might decide to make me pay extra to visit LRC, while instead favoring their own shitty running website. They might slow the bandwidth of the traffic down to LRC if they want to squeeze further.

    It's all about a fair playing field.


    It is perfectly fair for your ISP to do whatever it wants. If you don't like the service, you're free to go with another.


    http://www.publicconsultation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Net_Neutrality_Slides_121217.pdf

    75% of republicans would vote to keep the regulation, yet it is being repealed.

    i wonder why - why are things going this way?

    why?
  • observer_of_things
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 2:23pm CST
    re: FREEDUMB
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    Once again, the Onion nails it:

    https://www.theonion.com/fcc-assures-nation-their-favorite-verizon-websites-wont-1821305714
  • on your knees for the LLCs
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 3:06pm CST
    re: Nutella1
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    Nutella1 wrote:

    No one cares about the traffic generated by letsrun. That's the ISP's least concern.

    Currently, 80% of Internet traffic is basically youtube and netflix. And they make millions off of it and they don't provide the "pipes"; ISP's do.

    So why not make youtube and netflix pay more?

    Compare with tolls on a road bridge. Pedestrians are free (=letsrun), 16 wheelers pay extra (=youtube).


    I already pay for YouTube and Netflix, as well as Verizon for service. Why should Verizon get paid twice? Verizon is nothing more than a means to an end. They have no content that I care to see and if I could connect to the internet without them (at a reasonable speed) I would do so.

    The part you are intentionally ignoring is that no corporation will ever pay more unless they have no choice. You and I will be paying more and our ISPs, who are already extremely profitable, will be even richer. I understand you're likely just a troll, but you can't possibly believe this will benefit you. Photons are not a limited resource and there is no scarcity of bandwith.

    People should stop using Atlas Shrugged as their economic platform. It has never worked and never will. Especially when consumers have limited choices at speeds (mind you these are "up to") that are usable in 2017.[1]

    [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/us-broadband-still-no-isp-choice-for-many-especially-at-higher-speeds/
  • Run Wild
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 3:13pm CST
    re: adiBRO
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    Did you have to pay for it before 2015? That's right, you didn't. So why do you think you would have to pay for it now?
  • observer_of_things
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 3:19pm CST
    re: Run Wild
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    https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/

    Netflix had to pay before the FCC enforced neutrality. When the ISPs make Netflix pay, that cost will get passed directly to the consumer.
  • seems fair to me
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 6:34pm CST
    re: observer_of_things
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    observer_of_things wrote:

    https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/

    Netflix had to pay before the FCC enforced neutrality. When the ISPs make Netflix pay, that cost will get passed directly to the consumer.


    That actually seems fair to me. When Netflix is using so much bandwidth they are basically breaking the internet, which should consumers of netflix not have to pay some share to keep the tubes flowing for the light bandwidth, far-more-educational sites like letsrun?

    I also think it is funny how people think that Ajit Pai is a paid Verizon shill (probably true), when the previous administration was just as bad taking millions in donations from Comcast, ATT, Verizon etc. It's all just a giant joke. NN is the distraction. The real issue is telecoms basically buying off the govt to maintain monopolies which happens in every administration. Wake up people.
  • LOL DWUMPF
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 6:42pm CST
    re: Yes_conservatives_protected
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    Yes_conservatives_protected wrote:

    YES!

    Success!

    The IRS and Barack Hussein Obama attacked conservatives, Christians and Patriots (Giving Barack Barry Sotero Hussein Obama the 2012 Presidential win, Romney was ripped off, snaked).

    Conservatives will not be attacked via Net Neutrality.

    A win for freedom

    A defeat for big government, govt is not love, govt is for by the barrel of a gun


    Based on polling, when someone describes net neutrality to a trump supporter, they overwhelmingly don't want the measure repealed (it's part of the "system is rigged" complex).

    When a flamboyant man who wears makeup presents it, they're like a deer in headlights, and do a complete 180 on the issue.

    How would our great intellectual forefathers of the enlightenment respond to this anti-intellectualism? They would likely ask for their statues to be taken down so they don't have to watch.
  • Hardloper
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 6:45pm CST
    re: observer_of_things
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    observer_of_things wrote:

    https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/

    Netflix had to pay before the FCC enforced neutrality. When the ISPs make Netflix pay, that cost will get passed directly to the consumer.


    Here's the REAL story, which did not have anything to do with Net Neutrality. (Also shows the ridiculousness of comparing the Internet to "phone lines" and other imaginary concepts of "fairness")

    http://fortune.com/2014/02/24/inside-the-netflix-comcast-deal/
  • may god have mercy
    3 years ago 12/15/2017 6:49pm CST
    re: adiBRO
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    Either way, I pay for letsrun with my soul.
 
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