Dang Coach Jeff ROC Great run!!!! didn't you just run that 3:30 a month or so ago? Another 15 minutes is awesome.
A good friend is a chiropractor and a PT. I always get my free medical advice from him dealing with aches and pains of the muscles. It is crazy all the things runners knee can be caused by. He basically said getting the core stronger and working on flexibility cures it most times.
No comments on MPR (Hadley) training? Pure crickets around here. I read that apparently he did something around here, or somewhere else, to be dismessed but not sure what it was.
Linear vs non-linear. Where do you all fall?
*dismissed
Nice run coach. Killer PR and super even splits. Congrats! Here is to recovering well.
Working Harder wrote:
No comments on MPR (Hadley) training? Pure crickets around here. I read that apparently he did something around here, or somewhere else, to be dismessed but not sure what it was.
Linear vs non-linear. Where do you all fall?
Thanks Working Harder. I've never been to the MPR site before this morning. It looks good to me. I like how they give so many training plans and explanations. I may follow one of them soon. I'm not sure I'd be a good indicator of how well they work, I am still at a stage that anything will show improvement in me.
As for Linear vs non-linear. Where do you all fall? I did not see this referenced on the MPR site yet. I'd guess everyone tries to train linearly but we get non-linear results with performance increases.
Smoove wrote:
I never said they suck; just hat they are brutally painful.
Still, the 5000m is the true essence of distance racing in my worldview. If I could only race one distance for my entire life, it would be he 5000m. But it is absolutely brutal.
For once I agree with you
Coach Jeff ROC wrote:
Taipei Marathon
3:15:29
BQ
Nearly 15 minute PR at age 49... more later.
Thanks guys.
Wow huge PR man! Congrats!
Congrats on the PR and BQ Coach Jeff!
You have set a benchmark for me. My initial plan was for a 3:20:00 but 3:15:00 should be within the realm of possibility for me.
Looking forward to your race report.
Smoove wrote:
5k is brutal. Marathon pain is indeed far less intense, although the frustration potential of the marathon is exponentially higher than with anything else in the sport.
Indeed, racing a 5k is tough. Funny when people know you run marathons and then they tell you it's just a 5k...
Working Harder wrote:
No comments on MPR (Hadley) training? Pure crickets around here. I read that apparently he did something around here, or somewhere else, to be dismessed but not sure what it was.
Linear vs non-linear. Where do you all fall?
I know Hadley's (MPR) training philosophy and his story well. His daughter is taking a break from competitive running while she focuses on her undergrad/graduate degrees, after setting some records, winning a big marathon, and qualifying for the Olympic Trials while in high school. Many on here don't like that and the path she took this far in the sport (not taking part in high school sports) and have been very critical of MPR because of it, especially after a few articles in big publications promoted her in articles as the next big thing, and she struggled under the pressure of those expectations. My take is good on her and MPR to take a step back and keeping some balance in her life and focusing on her education.
But as far as MPR's training methods, they seem to be very successful. He appears to leverage a lot of things from Canova, Vigil and Daniels with his own twists. Good on him for sharing as much information as he does for free on his website.
From the MPR website:
Here are just a few of the success stories of athletes while under Coach Hadley's coaching:
- Coached 7 different runners to U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials Qualifers, each for the first time
- Top 8 finisher at the Chicago Marathon in her marathon debut
- Top American female finisher at the NYC Marathon in her marathon debut
- 2 athletes ranked in the Top 10 in the U.S. for the year in the marathon
- Dozens of marathon winners
- Dozens of half marathon winners
- Multiple ultra-marathon winners
- Numerous marathon course record holders
- Numerous half marathon course record holder
- Multiple ultra-marathon course record holders
- 10 top 10 performances at USATF U.S. National Road Championship events
- Podium finish at Western States 100 Ultra-marathon
- 4 U.S. single-age records (5k road, 10k track, half marathon, marathon)
- Over a hundred Boston Marathon Qualifiers
- Dozens of successful marathon debuts
- Hundreds of marathon PR's
- Dozens of successful half marathon debuts
- Hundreds of half marathon PR's
- Hundreds of age group victories
Yes, the 5k is very tough--too fast of a race for my liking--but at least it is over quickly. For those who are unprepared, improperly trained for marathon pace, or simply having a bad day, the marathon can end up being a true blood bath, a death march in the last six miles (or more). The prolonged suffering is flat-out abominbale. That nasty "gasping" feeling in the 5k is bad, too. Since I like longer runs, I prefer the marathon. The marathon is an ominous distance, and the 5k is nerve-racking and very, very tough to gauge pace-wise.
OR- it is tough to pace and get a gauge. Start out to fast and you are screwed. To slow and you don't have the distance to make up the time. Meeeehhhh glad I am done with them for a while. Looking forward to a half marathon in feb and the goal one in April. With an 8k and 10k thrown in.