TrackCoach wrote:
Personally, I don't think Mo will ever be an ultra elite sub-2:05 type marathoner, his bouncy running form is counter productive for 26 miles.
If "poor" running form means poor marathoner, how do we explain Paula Radcliffe? Oh, but, wait, she was on drugs. Oh, but, wait, Mo.... Oh, forget it.
what the actual.... wrote:
vivalarepublica wrote:
Rupp could go to Boston, get a big payday, become a legend
Become a legend at what? Beating B-level marathoners? The only reason people would think he is a legend is because they would primarily make up a population that doesn't know a lot about running and think winning Chicago and Boston makes you the best in the world, as nothing matters outside the good old USA.
The chances of you saying this to Galen Rupp if you two were to meet, probably as likely as you being able to finish within a drone shot of him.
illogical logic wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:
So explain why he beat so many at Chicago? Marathoning is not just about speed. This is something most letsrunners just don't get. Marathoning is about strategy, and simply winning. Rupp was the smartest racer and the best over the last 10km at Chicago, just because he didn't run sub 2:05 or whatever time you want him to run doesn't mean he is a bad marathoner. You don't get second at Boston, third at the Olympics, and win Chicago for being a bad runner.
All the people saying time doesn't matter are the same people who bring up his 26:44 to defend how great he is. You can't have it both ways.
That's the thing, Rupp does it both ways. He runs as fast as he needs to win. The 26:44 was for the win. In Chicago he dropped a few 4:30s for the win.
RUPP IS KING
Probably depends more on the race organizers than Rupp's manager. If their elite athlete budget is full, no Rupp. If Farah (who's running at home under a lot of scrutiny) says no to Rupp, then probably no Rupp again. While he has an Olympic medal, Rupp's marathon PR doesn't compare to the other guys. Race organizers tend to invite the fastest guys so again Rupp could be left out. To get invited to Berlin/London, Rupp needs to run a faster marathon.
I'd say Rupp will run Boston, hungry for the win. He'll wait until Boylston St. to kick if that's what he needs for the win. Depends on the field.
Rupp is tough as nails and won't be dropped. I scoff at those who say he's afraid. Maybe he was outkicked in the Olympic 10,000, and in the WC in '13 and '15, but he was not dropped. Why? He believes, he is one badazz hombre, he can hang.
Also, let's realize Galen works for Nike. Does he decide where he runs next, or does the company tell him where he is racing? Honestly I don't know. But they may prefer he goes for the win in Boston, while other athletes wearing their shoes will duke it out in London.
Mo will give it all he's got. My money's on Eluid. I mean, c'mon!
Rupp was dropped in the Olympics. Heck, if the marathon was 27 miles, Ward probably would have caught him.
Rupp was dropped at Boston. I watched, and he kept getting more and more out of focus, as the camera was trained on the dude who won who is probably 46th fastest Kenyan or something.
"Tough as nails" would be hanging with Kipchoge (unlike in the Olympics, say), when K runs a 2:03 or better. You know, a time that's well over a mile ahead of Galen's mighty PR. Hell, "tough as nails" might be having a PR closer to Kipchoge than Paula.
Sunday 3rd December - Suguru Osako wins Fukuoka Marathon in 2:07:16
Monday 4th December - Alberto and the Oregon Project get all excited about running marathons in Japan (Salazar has some Fukuoka history)...
Tuesday 5th December - Galen decides to run Tokyo in February...
You heard it here first...
Marmalademan wrote:
Sunday 3rd December - Suguru Osako wins Fukuoka Marathon in 2:07:16
Monday 4th December - Alberto and the Oregon Project get all excited about running marathons in Japan (Salazar has some Fukuoka history)...
Tuesday 5th December - Galen decides to run Tokyo in February...
You heard it here first...
After his performance at Boston, I doubt we will see Osako in anything other than a major.
TrackCoach wrote:
Speculatin.Stanley wrote:
Okay, so now we've got Kipchoge and Mo in the London Marathon this spring. Does this have any influence on the question of where Rupp runs next?
Assuming Kipchoge will want to run the first half in 61-62 minutes, I wonder if Mo will want to go with him or if he'll hang back a bit, shooting for a 2:05-2:06.
If the latter is the case, it could be a good opportunity for Rupp to hammer it out with his old training partner.
Of course, now that he's Chicago champ, he'd become a legend if he can add a Boston victory to his resume in April.
Anyway, does Kipchoge's decision for London alter the calculus for Rupp?
The possibility of Rupp racing London is near zero. Rupp has a growing family, he is on the backside of his career and needs to chase the buck. Now that London has committed to Kipchoge and Mo, they probably can't afford can't afford to pay Rupp his asking price. Besides, the path for every great American marathoner has always been NY or Boston victory before going international. Chicago is a major, but NY and Boston are still the crown jewels. However, I do see the possibility of Hasay running London.
A separate issue. For all practical purposes, this is Mo's debut and there is no way he is going to swing for the fences his first time at bat. Mo's number one goal believe it or not is to break the British marathon record of 2:08x. Mo's 10K and half marathon says he should be able to run 2:05, but I can see him running a safe 2:06 or 7. Personally, I don't think Mo will ever be an ultra elite sub-2:05 type marathoner, his bouncy running form is counter productive for 26 miles.
Belittling Boston because it is a poor race. Ran by poor americans who think it's the greatest race in the world. When in fact, London reigns supreme. Fat head.
crosscounts wrote:
illogical logic wrote:
All the people saying time doesn't matter are the same people who bring up his 26:44 to defend how great he is. You can't have it both ways.
That's the thing, Rupp does it both ways. He runs as fast as he needs to win. The 26:44 was for the win. In Chicago he dropped a few 4:30s for the win.
RUPP IS KING
Gaylen is not king. He is poor. America needs a good American runner of African ancestry, Then you'll be able to compete. Until then, let's keep laughing at 2:09 Gaylen. 2:09....hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahah
crosscounts wrote:
Marmalademan wrote:
Sunday 3rd December - Suguru Osako wins Fukuoka Marathon in 2:07:16
Monday 4th December - Alberto and the Oregon Project get all excited about running marathons in Japan (Salazar has some Fukuoka history)...
Tuesday 5th December - Galen decides to run Tokyo in February...
You heard it here first...
After his performance at Boston, I doubt we will see Osako in anything other than a major.
And I just saw the Fukuoka Thread, oops.
Rupp beat all the best the world has to offer except for kipchoge and the one Ethiopian in the Olympics. Each country could select their 3 best guys and Rupp decimated many. The Chicago field was laced with guys who had 206 or faster prs and accolades and Rupp won the race. Rupp would have a chance to win London in some years as well. Kipchoge has proved he's better than Rupp and anyone else. I'd rank Galen and Kirui the next two best right now. These one and done guys can't put it together when it matters asides from one time trial on they never come near again. Rupp is consistent and a medal threat every damn time.
If Planet Earth had to win a marathon scored XC-style against a pack of aliens, I’d draft Galen onto my top 7 without hesitation. In fact, I’d grab him before I took Bekele, Kimetto, Desisa, and maybe Kipsang.
You can’t say that thenOlymoic marathon field was B level. He has also beaten several big time marathoners in Chicago and NY. He may not be the best, maybe somewhere between top 10 -20 but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him run top 5 at London or contend again in Boston.
what the actual.... wrote:
vivalarepublica wrote:
Rupp could go to Boston, get a big payday, become a legend
Become a legend at what? Beating B-level marathoners? The only reason people would think he is a legend is because they would primarily make up a population that doesn't know a lot about running and think winning Chicago and Boston makes you the best in the world, as nothing matters outside the good old USA.
Rupp beat one good marathoner and guess what he's fucken old. Abel Kurui is old as dirt come on. Rupp hasn't beaten anyone that's good and in their prime. He would get dismantled. This is a joke and it will be exposed in due time. How can someone say a guy that ran 2:09 is a top 5 marathoner in the world. Get your head out of the sand. And a bunch of thou posters are horribly informed. Mo has already tried to go for the national record in the marathon and failed epically. He's in for a rude awakening as well.
'Can't we all just...get along.'
Let's stop the bickering and insults, okay? We can all just agree on what is factual. Rupp is a 2:09 guy; nothing more, nothing less.
Let's see the guy won one silver medal in each of the last two Olympics. Neither was in America.
I think there is some evidence there that he will go outside of America and if he doesn't go out as much as you like~~~more power to him~!
waltertompatton wrote:
Let's see the guy won one silver medal in each of the last two Olympics.
Who?