Stanford's Miltenberg Rebuilds the Machine....What a joke

How do you improve upon 2, 3, 2, 4, and in all likelihood another podium finish next year either? Syracuse went something like 6, 1, 2, 13. Colorado 1, 2, 6, 8. NAU 4, didn't qualify, 1, 1. Yeah, obviously a team would like to win, but Stanford has been consistent like no other team. And their recruits actually have to be intelligent and pass Stanford courses. The NCAA is deeper than it was in the 90s. Dynasties like Arkansas and old Stanford just aren't realistic anymore.

2003 Stanford is not a fair comparison for anyone. Split squad would have gone 1-2. "B" team would have been top 10 at least.

Whatajoke wrote:

I love the video Miltenberg recently put out about "Rebuilding the Machine". The dude is delusional. He showed up in 2012, and has had 6x NCAA Men's appearances under his watch. He's gone 16, 19, 2, 3, 2, 4 for an average finish of 7.67. He came in 2012, executed a purge to get a large number of the guys off the team, making sure that his new system was properly adopted. What a joke.

Before Miltenberg started his "machine rebuilding campaign" Jason Dunn was the coach, and had 4x NCAA Men's finishes of 3, 10, 4, 5 for an average of 5.5.

Before Dunn, Tegan's average was 9.67 for 3 appearances, Gerard's average was 3.5 for 2 appearances, and Lananna's average was 2.89 for 9 appearances.

If "rebuilding the machine" is intended to make the program worse, then mission accomplished for Miltenberg. Time for another coach.

You are a hater. Get a life.

Whatajoke wrote:

I love the video Miltenberg recently put out about "Rebuilding the Machine". The dude is delusional. He showed up in 2012, and has had 6x NCAA Men's appearances under his watch. He's gone 16, 19, 2, 3, 2, 4 for an average finish of 7.67. He came in 2012, executed a purge to get a large number of the guys off the team, making sure that his new system was properly adopted. What a joke.

Before Miltenberg started his "machine rebuilding campaign" Jason Dunn was the coach, and had 4x NCAA Men's finishes of 3, 10, 4, 5 for an average of 5.5.

Before Dunn, Tegan's average was 9.67 for 3 appearances, Gerard's average was 3.5 for 2 appearances, and Lananna's average was 2.89 for 9 appearances.

If "rebuilding the machine" is intended to make the program worse, then mission accomplished for Miltenberg. Time for another coach.

Don't worry, be happy.

Stanford this and Stanford that... Coach Milt this and coach Milt that.

His XC men's teams have been consistently doing very well. Better than most if not all, consistency wise, over the past four years.

So, don't worry, be happy.

OP goes home devastated

TrackFan19 wrote:

[quote]Whatajoke wrote:

I love the video Miltenberg recently put out

You are a hater. Get a life.

We all actually love and respect all things Stanford . Seriously an incredible University on all levels. All the respect in the world. Unbelievable institution, but also tons of support apparatus like all great business and institutions have.

It’s just hard as hell to listen to a BS story of how:

I inherited a disintegrated program/environment that I turned around. I was all alone and just a kid of 32 with the weight of the world on my shoulders and nobody would answer my calls or cries for help. I really just needed a hug, and nobody would give me one.

BS....

Again, all the respect in the world for all things Stanford, just a fools story and video.

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damn dude, in 2014 they scored 98 points and had 5 all-americans. That wins NCAA's some years, they just came up short against a historically great Colorado team. It's not fair to act like his teams can't get it done.

Winning the whole thing is insanely hard. You can literally count the number of active coaches with a title on 1 hand. (yes I know Smith makes 6 with NAU this year, but he won with Heins' team.)

Chris Derrick was the "nuts and bolts" of the Machine.

Stanford is a great university that gets the cream of the running crop every year.

However, what runners have truly developed from good to great, or from great to other-worldly?

For example, Stanford probably never heard of Tyler Day or Andy Trouard (like most of the big-time programs in the U.S.) and at NAU they developed into All-Americans in XC and I think by the time they are done, they will be AA in track as well.

Has Miltenberg developed any runners that would compare to the development of Day or Trouard or even Lomong?

Getting on the podium with guys like Grant Fisher and Alex Ostberg and Sam Wharton is fine, but shouldn't those kind of guys, with any kind of development, produce championships?

ItsNotMeItsYou wrote:

Stanford is a great university that gets the cream of the running crop every year.

However, what runners have truly developed from good to great, or from great to other-worldly?

For example, Stanford probably never heard of Tyler Day or Andy Trouard (like most of the big-time programs in the U.S.) and at NAU they developed into All-Americans in XC and I think by the time they are done, they will be AA in track as well.

Has Miltenberg developed any runners that would compare to the development of Day or Trouard or even Lomong?

Getting on the podium with guys like Grant Fisher and Alex Ostberg and Sam Wharton is fine, but shouldn't those kind of guys, with any kind of development, produce championships?

Tyler Day is a cool story, but his high school 5k PR was 14:59 and he individually qualified for NXN. Andy Trouard ran 8:51 at Arcadia, 4:08, and was also sub-15 for the 5k in xc. Peter Lomong was "bad," but that's because the training at his high school was absolutely abysmal. He's a Lomong, and he couldn't break 4:30 for the mile in high school? That's ridiculous.

Meanwhile, on Stanford's side, Fisher was Fisher, of course, but Ostberg was injured in 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th grade, as well as as a redshirt, and as a redshirt freshman. Talent doesn't mean anything if you can't stay healthy, and Milt managed to keep Ostberg healthy. That's impressive in itself. And Sam Wharton? The same race Trouard ran 8:51, Wharton ran 9:02. His NXN title was won in 17:06. It's a hard argument to make that Wharton is a more talented runner than Trouard, whose talent was so evident in high school that I distinctly remember a letsrun poster saying he'd be a "monster" in college once he trained.

Stanford's 4 and 5 aren't so incredible either. Tai Dinger was an 800 guy--and not even that amazing at it--until this fall. In high school, he ran under 4:16 for the full mile a grand total of once, and never broke 15:40 for the 5k. Parsons won a grand total of one state championship in high school.

I'll be honest, I have no idea how good Matt Baxter or Geordie Beamish are, but given they're international recruits, I have a feeling they were pretty accomplished in their home countries. And Grijalva? 8:46 for a full 2 mile, 4:01 for a full mile; yeah, NAU totally had to develop him to get him to a 60th place finish at NCAAs.

Stanford gets great recruits, obviously. There's no point denying that. But there's also no point in trying to argue that NAU doesn't, or BYU doesn't, or Oregon doesn't, or Colorado, etc. The only schools that I think might reasonably claim so are Colorado State and Portland.

I feel you OP.

But you need to cut them some slack, it is really tough to recruit to Stanford. The academics are iffy, their alumni pool is so-so and they only have one 18 hole golf course on campus. So sad.

Hey OP,

Save your post, as the joke will be on you.

Both the Stanford men and women will be probable top picks for the 2018 NCAA XC team championship.

Last year, sure, NAU got some great recruits. But before that, Futsum was their only true Blue-Chipper.

I know for a fact that Stanford, BYU, Oregon, Colorado did not even sniff in the general direction of Tyler Day or Andy Trouard or Peter Lomong and here those three are, stomping those Blue Blood programs for the 2nd year in a row.

You can make excuses for Stanford all you want, but they have had the materials to win the last 3 years and haven't done it, so the machine title doesn't work and should be shelved until they start performing.

They aren’t as good as Stanford from the Vin days.

They’ve podiumed 4 years in a row which makes them amongst the top performers in the country.

I don’t know why people are bashing them just because they aren’t as good as one of the best team/coaching eras in history.

Whatajoke wrote:

I love the video Miltenberg recently put out about "Rebuilding the Machine". The dude is delusional. He showed up in 2012, and has had 6x NCAA Men's appearances under his watch. He's gone 16, 19, 2, 3, 2, 4 for an average finish of 7.67. He came in 2012, executed a purge to get a large number of the guys off the team, making sure that his new system was properly adopted. What a joke.

Before Miltenberg started his "machine rebuilding campaign" Jason Dunn was the coach, and had 4x NCAA Men's finishes of 3, 10, 4, 5 for an average of 5.5.

Before Dunn, Tegan's average was 9.67 for 3 appearances, Gerard's average was 3.5 for 2 appearances, and Lananna's average was 2.89 for 9 appearances.

If "rebuilding the machine" is intended to make the program worse, then mission accomplished for Miltenberg. Time for another coach.

You're obviously a loser that couldn't make the team.