Flanagan vs. Trump: Shalane Flanagan gets huge opinion piece in NY Times that ends with comparison of her feminism vs. Trump's f

1. The Ivanka comment was gratuitous and irrelevant to the article. Too many people have Trump on the brain (pro or con) and can’t keep from dragging politics into everything. I find it annoying. There’s a whole universe of things that don’t revolve around Donald Trump.

2. What the author calls the “Shalane effect” is really just the dynamic you get on any healthy track/XC team, where teammates support each other, seniors are mentors and not queen bees, etc. It’s rarer and harder to reproduce in a training group at a professional level because there are almost no team events and everyone is in competition with everyone else to make races, teams, and get sponsorships. But the Hansons, NOP, and BTC have all promoted an approach where a training group is a mutually supporting team. BTC has had some very successful women, but I don’t think it’s the “Shalane effect” as much as a bunch of very good athletes in a healthy team environment. That’s not taking anything away from Shalane, who’s a great athlete. I just don’t think it’s that unique of a situation.

Defined wrote:

Track Times Matter wrote:

It has never featured man-hating. That is just something the alt-right has drummed up.

Never say never. Here's man-hating from feminist leaders themselves.

http://www.cultural-misandry.com/feminism-the-hate-group-2/

Check out the quotes at the end of the article if nothing else.

There's a freaking cultural-misandry.com? We're doomed. I'm afraid to click on your link.

Funny how. 99 % of the posters against it all say virtually the same thing

"I don't like Trump"...blah blah blah. It's clear it's one person posting a bunch of times

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Could care less about whether Shalane is pleased or her political views.

Nobody cares that you don't care. Please don't gum up the threads for the sole purpose of saying that you don't care. Post something that adds to the conversation. If you truly don't care, just don't post.

What is the web traffic/circulation of the New York Times anymore anyway?

It seems like an article being in the NYT being a big deal is kind of a relic from another decade (and pretty close to another century). I will say that at least some of their writers can write well. That being said knowing some independent sites and looking at a news aggregator seems superior (especially if you are OK keeping your bias filter on, but not constantly on its super-heavy leftist agenda counteraction mode).

I remember a race in Chicago some years ago when Kara Goucher beat all the men. Now that would have been a great opportunity for an article about girl power. What does Shalane winning a women's race have anything to do with feminism?

Lydiard base phase wrote:

That being said......looking at a news aggregator seems superior (especially if you are OK keeping your bias filter on, but not constantly on its super-heavy leftist agenda counteraction mode).

"news aggregator superior" ?? like DRUDGE???

LOL.

vivalarepublica wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Could care less about whether Shalane is pleased or her political views.

Nobody cares that you don't care. Please don't gum up the threads for the sole purpose of saying that you don't care. Post something that adds to the conversation. If you truly don't care, just don't post.

I don’t care that you think I am gumming up your view of the conversation. Flanagan is a good athlete, doesn’t mean she did anything other than run a good race. Why would anyone care what her political views were?

And that goes for you too.

Igy

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

Nobody cares that you don't care. Please don't gum up the threads for the sole purpose of saying that you don't care. Post something that adds to the conversation. If you truly don't care, just don't post.

I don’t care that you think I am gumming up your view of the conversation. Flanagan is a good athlete, doesn’t mean she did anything other than run a good race. Why would anyone care what her political views were?

And that goes for you too.

Igy

Please don't forget to take your meds. I'm done with you.

Go Shalane. You're an inspiration and motivation for many.

vivalarepublica wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

I don’t care that you think I am gumming up your view of the conversation. Flanagan is a good athlete, doesn’t mean she did anything other than run a good race. Why would anyone care what her political views were?

And that goes for you too.

Igy

Please don't forget to take your meds. I'm done with you.

Go Shalane. You're an inspiration and motivation for many.

Go Shalane you are a good runner.

Some of us could careless about your political leanings.

We are not inspired by your politics.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

Lydiard base phase wrote:

That being said......looking at a news aggregator seems superior (especially if you are OK keeping your bias filter on, but not constantly on its super-heavy leftist agenda counteraction mode).

"news aggregator superior" ?? like DRUDGE???

LOL.

Yes, like Drudge, it can be very useful. You edited out the part about independent websites.

rojo wrote:

Teller of Truths wrote:

Also, the author said shalane is not petty and elevates women. I guess she was so focused on Trump that she missed shalane's response to Hasay's result at Chicago, which was pretty dang petty.

Petty?

Doping threatens the very existence of her sport. I don't get how it's petty when someone asks you, "Hey what do you think of the NOP's great performance in Chicago?" if you reply "Well the group is under investigation so it's hard to know what to know."

Yes. Petty. In keeping with innocence until proven guilty, Shalane could have answered that question with much more class. She also could have left out the "guilt by association" barb that you have omitted. Before that she and others refused to publicly congratulate Hasay, who to my knowledge has not been personally implicated in any of the alleged wrongdoing at NOP. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge shalane fan and was super excited to see her win NY, I just thought she handled that situation poorly and certainly wasn't "elevating" the woman who just last month turned in the #2 marathon time in American history.

The bigger point is that the jab at trump was completely unnecessary and undermined the author's credibility. On that point we agree, and I'm glad to see that garbage quote has been removed from the splash page. It has already received much more attention than it deserves.

OK answer me this, which of the two better separates news and opinion? Virtually every story on the LR homepage has an intro with added opinion shoved in our faces. Is the NYT like that? Well no it isn't.

Why do progressives wrongly assume that ALL conservatives watch Fox news? That's simply not the case, but that's their go to argument. Also, I see "this is an OPINION piece" over and over, but what they don't realize is that their hatred of Trump is based off of the OPINION of these journalists. Propaganda to the core. If someone actually took a step back to critically assess why they hate the President, they'd probably come to the conclusion that their hatred was based off of media and the things that they *think* Trump said or did was actually misrepresented. But then, that would change their world view and it's easier to hate. Gotta love the party of "love, light, and tolerance"... except when someone disagrees with them that is. Congrats on your win Shalane! As a woman, l can appreciate it without the political comparisons and feminist ideological push.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

Please don't forget to take your meds. I'm done with you.

Go Shalane. You're an inspiration and motivation for many.

Go Shalane you are a good runner.

Some of us could careless about your political leanings.

We are not inspired by your politics.

Great, some of us aren't terrified of reading about political leanings and don't see the big deal about her speaking about them. Relax....

Lydiard base phase wrote:

What is the web traffic/circulation of the New York Times anymore anyway?

It seems like an article being in the NYT being a big deal is kind of a relic from another decade (and pretty close to another century). I will say that at least some of their writers can write well. That being said knowing some independent sites and looking at a news aggregator seems superior (especially if you are OK keeping your bias filter on, but not constantly on its super-heavy leftist agenda counteraction mode).

10th biggest in the US according to Unique visitors:

And on this site I had to laugh when I saw 3 of the top 10 in the US are porn sites:

It's an opinion article. The author is entitled to her opinion. The author is not Shalane Flanagan, and the politics are not necessarily in line with Shalane Flanagan's. My opinion is that Trump's presidency is a tragedy that has, thankfully, at least cast a brighter-than-otherwise light on issues of women and minorities. I'm fine with this writer suggesting that Shalane is more of a feminist than Ivanka Trump is. It's a fair assessment, and that's not just a matter of opinion.

Track Times Matter wrote:

Defined wrote:

Feminism is the 21st century has become synonymous with misandry. We need a new term to describe the type of feminism that doesn't feature the man-hating aspect.

No, you don't. It has never featured man-hating. That is just something the alt-right has drummed up.

https://www.google.com/search?q=define+feminism&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

So how does this definition apply to Shalane? After all she is a notable athlete, Not a political or economic theorist/ activist.

I agree with the sentiment 'real feminism isn't posing or talking about feminism' but actually being a capable person. Maybe the author should do that. Focus on writing an excellent article about Shalane Flanagan and don't worry about what people totally unrelated to the story like Ivanka Trump are doing. Or write an excellent article on Ivanka Trump... but using every single totally unrelated story as a jumping off point to attack a Trump is not being a capable journalist. If the point is 'don't just pose, be like Shalane' then maybe, you know... be like Shalane.