Best State to live in if you can't afford California??????

Let me get this straight... you lived close to one of the best areas to run in the US and you call it crap?https://www.nps.gov/cuva/index.htm Sounds like either a troll or someone who'd complain if they were hanged with a new rope. Now, if you say the cold just wasn't for you, I can get with that, but calling the area crap for running is just not true.

OHIO? wrote:

Ohio is crap running conditions in most places. I've ran in Akron for many years, and am happy I've moved to SC.

Oregon, New Mexico, the DMV area.

IdiotLRCBitchhes wrote:

Ignorant fool. Chicago is one of the great American cities, and also happens to be one of the very few majors where people live right in the city center, and is affordable compared to many of the rest. Every major sport, great economy and jobs availability, great museums, great architecture, fun-loving people, I could go on and on. Stay out of a few choice ghetto neighborhoods and it's safe as well.

Anybody who has spent time in Chicago knows what a wonderful metro it is. It is truly one of the handful of best places in America.

Shy town wrote:

Chicago? What is the cost of a kevlar vest?

So, when are ya'll going to de-segregate?

Pennsylvania!!! (Philly suburbs). Philly is very progressive, seasons are amazing, cost is low, NYC and Wash DC are close, as are beaches and mountains and anything else you might want. And the people are nice too and the schools are great, I could go on...

Well there is a little issue if no mountains and no ocean. Oregon is the place to be. And ignore the Portland nonsense. Eugene, Bend, Medford, Ashland... Some cool coastal towns all have WAY lower cost of living and everything else snobby hipster Portland has. But might want to get here quick. Climate change may change the cost of living factor. Here in Eugene home prices on the quick rise as everyone is priced out of PDX.

Coaches News Network wrote:

Let me get this straight... you lived close to one of the best areas to run in the US and you call it crap?

https://www.nps.gov/cuva/index.htm

Sounds like either a troll or someone who'd complain if they were hanged with a new rope.

Now, if you say the cold just wasn't for you, I can get with that, but calling the area crap for running is just not true.

OHIO? wrote:

Ohio is crap running conditions in most places. I've ran in Akron for many years, and am happy I've moved to SC.

Boulder CO

I'll let you rent a room

It's so cheap there too OMG

You are missing Salt Lake City.

Downtown is progressive. Hardly LDS at all. Tons of jobs. Most everything on your list is readily available. Your one problem is public schools. They apparently suck, according to my co-workers.

The towpath trail in the CVNP is probably the prettiest and best trail I've run on. I've lived on both coasts, numerous cities in the midwest and south, NorCal, SoCal, DC, NYC, and more. The towpath in the Fall in an absolute delight. There is a small marathon in October that runs almost entirely on the trail and might be one of the best small, picturesque races in the country. I live elsewhere now, but miss running in the CVNP. The poster above is right about Akron. Good running clubs, a vibrant race scene (for non-elites), many wonderful trails and parks.

Coaches News Network wrote:

Let me get this straight... you lived close to one of the best areas to run in the US and you call it crap?

https://www.nps.gov/cuva/index.htm

Sounds like either a troll or someone who'd complain if they were hanged with a new rope.

Now, if you say the cold just wasn't for you, I can get with that, but calling the area crap for running is just not true.

OHIO? wrote:

Ohio is crap running conditions in most places. I've ran in Akron for many years, and am happy I've moved to SC.

New Mexico

four seasons in the central and northern parts. Mountains, great culture and food, very liberal and progressive. Cheap living and well educated in Abq and Santa Fe.

Not any more back in the 70's you could, too much traffic now.

John Utah wrote:Good theaters are a factor in your decision making process?

What kind of man says something like this?

Do you really think that real men cannot apreciate the theater? That is truly bizarre thinking.

No! Don't come to Texas. It is not nice. The people are nice, but our summers are so sweltering hot and last close to eight months. The beaches are trash too. There is nice running in the hill country, but thats a dime a dozen for certain parts of the PNW or Colorado.

Given your climate requirements, you may not have investigated NC and Virginia closely enough because you will get sweltering summers.

My recommendation would be Oregon - away from the Portland area (because of the cost of living). Climate would not be as mild as California but not as hot as the upper south. Or look at California away from major urban areas.

It is a big state. You ought to go sometime

There are plenty of places in California that are affordable, however the problems would be remoteness & approximately to employment (ex: far Northern CA), or desirability (hello Stockton).

I would think the Pacific NW checks the most boxes, although cool rainy weather would qualify as depressing for many.

Charlotte, NC metro area - including Lake Norman area - relocated from SoCal and the running scene is actually better. Way lower cost of living. You get the 4 seasons, very mild winters but a nice fall which is great running. Good job economy and a lots to do in Charlotte.

R1200 wrote:

John Utah wrote:Good theaters are a factor in your decision making process?

What kind of man says something like this?

Do you really think that real men cannot apreciate the theater? That is truly bizarre thinking.

Right. It's John Utah. What do you expect?

middle of nowhere Iowa is the place for me, very white and humble 'round these parts

"mild climate" and "4 seasons" are not synonymous.