I disagree with your claim on Metallica. When they were in their prime (first three albums, everything after is total garbage, as any real Metallica fan already knows), they often did the songs faster if anything.
source: I saw them live several times during this period.
zzzyyy wrote:
Semaphore Slim wrote:
* The Beatles: Never did the Sgt. Peppers concept album live. Too much studio magic involved.
The Beatles stopped performing live in 1966, before Sgt. Pepper was released.
I'm well aware of that, but I kind of agree with the overall point. The later Beatles albums were heavily engineered in studio and relied on a lot of effects. I think it would have been very, very difficult to pull that off live.
This is especially true given the technology at the time (remember the Beatles basically stopped touring live because they couldn't hear themselves on stage). It is possible that with some advancements in technology they could have pulled off something like Sgt. Peppers live, but at the time, pretty much impossible.
Another Old Metal Head wrote:
back wood wrote:
There are no upcoming and emerging metal bands because it is a music of the 1980s, and today's young people are interested in other sounds.
Yeah, sure...except the thousands that attend Metallica concerts throughout the world. Lol.
Your comment doesn't contradict mine at all. There's a market for old bands that used to make music that people liked. Metallica is filling stadiums with 40 year olds reliving their youth, and a handful of kids. People go see the Stones and Bruce Springsteen too. Contemporary music has gone in other directions (as it always does) and playing metal now is like playing rockabilly in the 90s. There's a niche market, but it's no longer part of what is driving the mainstream pop culture (that's not a criticism).
Alan Parsons Project- Parsons and Eric Woolfson his manager were both engineers and producers that formed the band which was nothing more than a revolving door of session artists playing along in there heavily (over)produced creations.
Electric Light Orchestra- Producer Jeff Lynne's pet project to interrupt rock music with classical musical overtones again using a vast array of players.
Queen- OK I'll go out on a limb here. Queen was never able to play the entire Bohemian Rhapsody live as the operatic middle section could not be reproduced onstage.
The Beach BoysAnimal Sounds album as previously discussed was a recording masterpiece but not a good representation of live music.
I disagree with the Boston addition to the list as Tom Scholz was able to but together a group of players to interpret his basement production project onstage.
RawkGawd wrote:
A few great ones live:
1) Pretenders, tight and strong still to this day
2) The Police, years back, incredible and only the three of them, playing about 4 instruments/pedals each
3) Bruce Hornsby, great set a few years back
4) Toto, still good, some of the best professional musicians of their generation
5) Tom Petty, wish I would have seen him last year
Terrible live:
1) The Cars; ugh, Ocasek sucked ballls live, wished for my money back when I saw them
2) Eddy Money; hoarse and likely drunk on stage, just a real arsehole that night
3) Drive By Truckers; supposed to be good, but pitchy and weak when I saw them
4) Simple Minds, sloppy live
5) Journey, with that little weird dude trying to sound like Perry; just weird
6) Yes, several years ago; Howe looked 100 years old, the whole band sounded rubbery and tired; disappointing as hell
Journey is unreal good live.
As for bands that are terrible live:
KISS
No Doubt
back woods wrote:
Your comment doesn't contradict mine at all. There's a market for old bands that used to make music that people liked. Metallica is filling stadiums with 40 year olds reliving their youth, and a handful of kids. People go see the Stones and Bruce Springsteen too. Contemporary music has gone in other directions (as it always does) and playing metal now is like playing rockabilly in the 90s. There's a niche market, but it's no longer part of what is driving the mainstream pop culture (that's not a criticism).
Let's stick to the Big-4; the four bands that had the most influence on the history of heavy/thrash metal. There's is a lot of middle-agers at Metallica concerts, but far more than a "handful of kids" (I've been to a few concerts recently and there's a growing appeal to the younger demographics, many who weren't even born when Metallica first started out). Metallica is leaps & bounds over the other three. Hetfield's voice is still pretty decent given his age. Lars is awesome on the drums. Kirk still moves pretty good on the stage.
The don't look all trashed out like some of the other bands trying to play with members in their 50s & 60s. The key is the lead singer's voice of these metal/hard rock bands when they're getting up there in age (Go listen to Axel's voice with G&R's recent road tour and tell me if he's anything near his trademark raspy voice of his prime?). Metallica's even had performances on Jimmy Fallon, and a few years back on the old Craig Ferguson show.
Take Megadeth & Slayer - they've been touring over the last couple of years (I've hadn't heard anything on Anthrax?). Megadeth & Slayer plays in much smaller venues (small joints many times holding less 8000 seating capacity). Mustaine's voice is trashed, and other than Ellefson, how many times has the band changed drummers & lead? Slayer's still got Kerry King, who plays very well, but they've changed out a lot of drummers and Hanneman passed away several years ago. And Slayer & Megadeth no way has the same appeal on the younger demographics that Metallica has.
Metallica simply is the shining star in this group of comeback Metal bands...nothing new there. The "Metallica family" is a world wide phenomenon.
Wrong genre. There are no famous rock bands who can't passably play their music live. It takes a long time to get famous and bands would long have succumbed to ridicule if they couldn't play live.
What you should have titled this thread is POP DIVAS WHO NEED BACK TRACKS TO PLAY LIVE.
Ashlee Simpson.
Another Old Metal Head wrote:
back woods wrote:
Your comment doesn't contradict mine at all. There's a market for old bands that used to make music that people liked. Metallica is filling stadiums with 40 year olds reliving their youth, and a handful of kids. People go see the Stones and Bruce Springsteen too. Contemporary music has gone in other directions (as it always does) and playing metal now is like playing rockabilly in the 90s. There's a niche market, but it's no longer part of what is driving the mainstream pop culture (that's not a criticism).
Let's stick to the Big-4; the four bands that had the most influence on the history of heavy/thrash metal. There's is a lot of middle-agers at Metallica concerts, but far more than a "handful of kids" (I've been to a few concerts recently and there's a growing appeal to the younger demographics, many who weren't even born when Metallica first started out). Metallica is leaps & bounds over the other three. Hetfield's voice is still pretty decent given his age. Lars is awesome on the drums. Kirk still moves pretty good on the stage.
The don't look all trashed out like some of the other bands trying to play with members in their 50s & 60s. The key is the lead singer's voice of these metal/hard rock bands when they're getting up there in age (Go listen to Axel's voice with G&R's recent road tour and tell me if he's anything near his trademark raspy voice of his prime?). Metallica's even had performances on Jimmy Fallon, and a few years back on the old Craig Ferguson show.
Take Megadeth & Slayer - they've been touring over the last couple of years (I've hadn't heard anything on Anthrax?). Megadeth & Slayer plays in much smaller venues (small joints many times holding less 8000 seating capacity). Mustaine's voice is trashed, and other than Ellefson, how many times has the band changed drummers & lead? Slayer's still got Kerry King, who plays very well, but they've changed out a lot of drummers and Hanneman passed away several years ago. And Slayer & Megadeth no way has the same appeal on the younger demographics that Metallica has.
Metallica simply is the shining star in this group of comeback Metal bands...nothing new there. The "Metallica family" is a world wide phenomenon.
Lars Ulrich is the most overrated drummer in rock history.
Steely Dan??? They are fantastic live and every song on Aja is played just fine
stacktrace wrote:
Lars Ulrich is the most overrated drummer in rock history.
Explain "overrated?"
It is just bad karaoke without Perry. And Perry absolutely killed it live!
As a drummer, Lars Ulrich is awful.
He can't play live, his tempo is all over the place, and Metallica hasn't made interesting or original music in ages.
Where are the good new metal bands you ask??
Alcest, Thy Catafalque, Gojira, Agalloch, they're all over the place.
They're not popular sure, but when has popularity ever been a sign of good music??
Lars Ulrich is widely recognized as severely overrated in his drumming. Your drummer should be a human metronome and as has already been stated his tempo is all over the place. "Look at how fast his arms move" that's laughable, how fast you can play is not what drumming is about. As for Anthrax I saw them open for Motorhead a couple of months before Lemmy passed and they were incredible. The reason why Metallica has staying power and also has a big youth following is because the metal genre is fractured into a million different subgenres that are too extreme for mainstream consumption. There just simply aren't many bands playing classic metal anymore, most people are not trying to go listen to some dude screaming while doing a cookie monster impression. All that being said Metallica had some great music in their early albums and some decent songs on their newer stuff. Don't kid yourself though, no one at the concert is there to see anything from them that wasn't created decades ago.
RawkGawd wrote:
A few great ones live:
1) Pretenders, tight and strong still to this day
2) The Police, years back, incredible and only the three of them, playing about 4 instruments/pedals each
3) Bruce Hornsby, great set a few years back
4) Toto, still good, some of the best professional musicians of their generation
5) Tom Petty, wish I would have seen him last year
Terrible live:
1) The Cars; ugh, Ocasek sucked ballls live, wished for my money back when I saw them
2) Eddy Money; hoarse and likely drunk on stage, just a real arsehole that night
3) Drive By Truckers; supposed to be good, but pitchy and weak when I saw them
4) Simple Minds, sloppy live
5) Journey, with that little weird dude trying to sound like Perry; just weird
6) Yes, several years ago; Howe looked 100 years old, the whole band sounded rubbery and tired; disappointing as hell
Eric Burdon and WAR. One of the best performance groups ever. One comment about the live studio performance below was: Tight and polished, and simultaneously loose and raw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKSSQUgEiysMilligan's Pensula wrote:
The Mosquitos!!!
https://youtu.be/6rfU1sC5vK8
Just flat out funny.
notveganboi wrote:
As a drummer, Lars Ulrich is awful.
He can't play live, his tempo is all over the place, and Metallica hasn't made interesting or original music in ages.
Where are the good new metal bands you ask??
Alcest, Thy Catafalque, Gojira, Agalloch, they're all over the place.
They're not popular sure, but when has popularity ever been a sign of good music??
Stupid post...who in the F would care about Lar's drumming ability...it's METALLICA . Their popularity & prestige is unprecedented...have you been living in a cave or something? And why would they need to make any new music when their old stuff is selling out huge venues world wide? IMO, their old stuff sounds better now than when I first listened to their gigs as a young metal head 30+ yrs ago! What they've done with their iconic song "One" is amazing with the laser lights, pyrotechnics & echo technology, etc.
You're in left field on this one youngster. This is thee most popular metal band from the 80s that are still playing in their 50s that aren't all trashed out and have lost members to drug/alcohol abuse. Hetfield's had some issues with alcohol & rehab in the past, but damn he's looking pretty good, and though his voice has changed with age, it's not all trashed out like some of the other leads in other metal/hard rock bands (think David Lee Roth...Lol). Wake up & smell the coffee!....these cats are killing it world wide. Their performance at Glastonbury a few yrs ago (yes....freaking Glastonbury!!!) was heavy man. 100,000+ fans, hot chicks drooling over them, balloons all over the place, young teens & soccer moms on stage...totally unbelievable for a bunch of old thrash metal guys now in their 50s!
https://youtu.be/Gb6JRborcOUJim Morrison, because he can’t do anything live.
Another Old Metal Head wrote:
back woods wrote:
Your comment doesn't contradict mine at all. There's a market for old bands that used to make music that people liked. Metallica is filling stadiums with 40 year olds reliving their youth, and a handful of kids. People go see the Stones and Bruce Springsteen too. Contemporary music has gone in other directions (as it always does) and playing metal now is like playing rockabilly in the 90s. There's a niche market, but it's no longer part of what is driving the mainstream pop culture (that's not a criticism).
Let's stick to the Big-4; the four bands that had the most influence on the history of heavy/thrash metal. There's is a lot of middle-agers at Metallica concerts, but far more than a "handful of kids" (I've been to a few concerts recently and there's a growing appeal to the younger demographics, many who weren't even born when Metallica first started out). Metallica is leaps & bounds over the other three. Hetfield's voice is still pretty decent given his age. Lars is awesome on the drums. Kirk still moves pretty good on the stage.
The don't look all trashed out like some of the other bands trying to play with members in their 50s & 60s. The key is the lead singer's voice of these metal/hard rock bands when they're getting up there in age (Go listen to Axel's voice with G&R's recent road tour and tell me if he's anything near his trademark raspy voice of his prime?). Metallica's even had performances on Jimmy Fallon, and a few years back on the old Craig Ferguson show.
Take Megadeth & Slayer - they've been touring over the last couple of years (I've hadn't heard anything on Anthrax?). Megadeth & Slayer plays in much smaller venues (small joints many times holding less 8000 seating capacity). Mustaine's voice is trashed, and other than Ellefson, how many times has the band changed drummers & lead? Slayer's still got Kerry King, who plays very well, but they've changed out a lot of drummers and Hanneman passed away several years ago. And Slayer & Megadeth no way has the same appeal on the younger demographics that Metallica has.
Metallica simply is the shining star in this group of comeback Metal bands...nothing new there. The "Metallica family" is a world wide phenomenon.
Lars is awesome on the drums.
Lars is probably the worst well known drummer in world history (he's the Nicholas Cage of drummers). He's just straight up bad, like in a bad high school band sense. That doesn't take credit away from him for creating Metallica. He's a hell of a businessman, and he knew how to get others to do something that people like, and that's a talent in its own right, but his time is just nonexistent.
You go on about Mustaine. He's a great example of a different phenomenon. He's technically quite polished as a guitarist (although playing fast is far from all there is to being good) but he's not much of a musician. His playing is boring, unimaginative, unemotional, and that, coupled with his repellent personality, is why his bands have never been all that good. I'd rather listen to Metallica play crappily than Dave Mustaine play anything. But that doesn't mean Lars Ullrich and James Hetfield are great musicians with great live chops. They aren't. Popular musicians can also be fantastic musicians (they don't have to be, though). A great example, who was a much better guitarist than Hetfield (or Mustaine for that matter), is Prince.
In any case, Megadeth, Slayer, Metallica, these guys are like Julio Iglesias. They keep singing, they have their audience, the casinos will welcome them soon.
The Partridge Family