2017 NAIA XC Thread

This is categorically false. The UBC have to (and have always had to) compete in the AII Conference Championship two weeks before NAIAs.

UBC are bringing the title home this year, no doubt. I'll be there to fill up on the tacos, pound back some brewskis, and cheer the boys on YeeeEEEZ.

BTW, Charles P-T is a CLEVE

UBC wins

The updated national poll was supposed to come out today (September 27th). Why can't the NAIA ever put these out on time?

It is small details like this that frustrate me about the NAIA.

Am I being too critical?

Good Ol Days wrote:

The updated national poll was supposed to come out today (September 27th). Why can't the NAIA ever put these out on time?

It is small details like this that frustrate me about the NAIA.

Am I being too critical?

It's out...

Turns out I am too critical.

Rankings below:

RANK LAST WEEK SCHOOL (1ST PLACE VOTES) FINAL POINTS

1 1 Southern Oregon (17) 558

2 2 St. Francis (Ill.) (1) 539

3 3 British Columbia (2) 528

4 7 Lewis-Clark State (Idaho) 504

5 10 College of Idaho 478

6 6 Northwestern (Iowa) 469

7 14 Oklahoma City 428

8 5 Eastern Oregon 427

9 20 Missouri Valley 392

10 4 The Master's (Calif.) 380

11 12 Saint Mary (Kan.) 379

12 18 Olivet Nazarene (Ill.) 364

13 13 Taylor (Ind.) 361

14 15 Columbia (Mo.) 342

15 11 Cornerstone (Mich.) 333

16 8 Madonna (Mich.) 311

17 9 Shawnee State (Ohio) 265

18 NR Northwest Christian (Ore.) 242

19 19 Embry-Riddle (Ariz.) 236

20 NR Indiana Wesleyan 201

21 21 Indiana Tech 198

22 23 Westmont (Calif.) 172

23 NR Texas Wesleyan 164

23 17 Oregon Tech 164

25 25 Milligan (Tenn.) 125

Northwest Christian should be a lot closer to Eastern Oregon in the rankings. Either Eastern Oregon is over rated or Northwest Christian is under rated.

Cdtftyytyggyt wrote:

Northwest Christian should be a lot closer to Eastern Oregon in the rankings. Either Eastern Oregon is over rated or Northwest Christian is under rated.

Northwest Christian is very under rated. They were only 12 points behind Eastern Oregon today, and only 70 behind UBC (who should be ranked first). My guess is EOU will be ranked 11 on the next ranking at NCU 13

Some solid performances this weekend in Louisville:

https://xc.tfrrs.org/results/xc/11314.html

Lewis-Clark (4) was the first NAIA team (second at meet, behind Rhodes).

Columbia College (14) looked strong, finishing a close 13 points behind the fourth ranked Lewis-Clark.

Taylor (13) was the next NAIA school, finishing seventh overall.

Indiana Tech (21) was 42 points behind the 13th ranked Taylor

Aquinas (RV) was 14 points behind the 21st ranked Indiana Tech

Madonna was the right behind Aquinas by four points

Indiana Wesleyan (20) was four points behind Madonna.

Based off these results, I think Lewis-Clark should drop in the rankings to the 5-10 range. Columbia (Mo.) should move up to around 10. Taylor should drop to around 15. Indiana Tech should remain around 20. Aquinas should hop into 25 and Indiana Wesleyan should fall from top 25.

Those are with the assumptions that everyone ran full teams and not taking into account any other teams and races!

ok23 wrote:

UBC wins

UBC with it's 60000 students has a decided advantage thrashing it's opponents with only a few thousand students.

NAIA should limit membership by the size of the school. UBC belongs in NCAA Div2 with SFU.

Being a university of 60000 ubc spends a far larger amount of its budget on research, outreach and development then any of its NAIA counter parts. Furthermore UBC athletes has 24'26 sports as well as many 'competitive clubs' that recieve some form of limited funding. Due too this large spread, many of UBC's 'varsity' teams are almost fully self funded or funded through large scale fundrasing or alumni. UBC's budget for cross country is probably less then many top ranked NAIA schools.

UBC's advantage which admittedly is a little unfair is that its a prestigious school that draws several athletes in. As teams in Oregon and Washington can attest, the climate is very conducive for distance runner, Mild winters and summers.

Around half of the top athletes are from the Vancouver area, with most of the rest coming from other parts of BC.

Want unfair? how about schools that recruit athletes from Spain, Kenya or the Caribbean because they can't develop local talent.

You sound saltier than the Dead Sea

Totally correct. UBC Head Coach and Distance Coach have very close ties to Vancouver Thunderbird track club which they use to develop and attract athletes.

Economics are in their favor to attract the best athletes in the province. Only 2 BC distance athletes got scholarships in the US this year and 99% of parents can't afford $80000 CDN a year (yes that's what it costs a Canadian to attend) to send their kids to school in the USA. UBC costs under $12000 and you can live at home. If the school gives a scholarship of even a few thousand dollars it goes a lot farther than a 50% scholarship in the US where the parents still need to come up with tens of thousands of dollars.

Interesting that SFU does not recruit as well. Any ideas why?

Predictions on the next set of ranking?

Rumor has it a few years back they tried to recruit Jared Hixon but the Corban coach wouldn't give him enough scholarship money. Ended up missing out on a National champ[/quote]

Hi Jared!

Why is UBC not ranked first?

POF wrote:

Why is UBC not ranked first?

They are now (tied), although there's plenty of reasons why they don't belong there.

Is EOU really that much better than NCU?

Who do you think will win the individual crown? The William Carey guy has to be the favorite.

Mark Shaw from OCU is probably the favourite.