Mostly will be the same. Since you are asking the question, who are some of the schools that you are referring to?
There are basically zero schools the consistently put out great college+ runners. HS is all about training. Get a 100 kids to run 30mpw and you will have 5 sub 18:00 guys. Get 100 kids to run 60mpw, and you will have 5 sub 16:00 guys. College is all about talent cause the training gap is a lot smaller.
Went to school in New York, so the girls were dominated by FM every single season I was in hs. The boys basically split all the class A state titles and nxn spots between FM, Liverpool, and Corning.
And FM and Saratoga Springs were the only two NY boys teams that ever won NXN
Wayzata boys bouta win state again next year. They’ve been down for the last couple of years but this time they are only graduating 2 guys and returning more than 7 sub 16 guys.
Wayzata boys bouta win state again next year. They’ve been down for the last couple of years but this time they are only graduating 2 guys and returning more than 7 sub 16 guys.
Rhode Island has been dominated by 2 schools. Lasalle academy and bishop hendricken. the state championships the last 10 years have gone: 2017 BH, 2016 LSA, 2015 LSA, 2014 LSA, 2013 BH, 2012 BH, 2011 BH, 2010 BH, 2009 BH, 2008 BH. both teams look to be very good this year with hendricken being one of the top ranked in the northeast and lsa right there with them
Darn recruiting, private schools!
This is the result of a couple of private middle school club teams where they recruit the best. The guys and girls on these teams want to compete with each other at the next level. The only way to do that is to go to one of the two dominant private schools in the state.
In Rhode Island no public school on the boys side has a chance. We are 13 years now of these two schools dominating.
Recruiting for swimming used to happen in the state when I was in HS, but only at one school, and they almost always dominated.
I wonder why CC success in RI requires recruiting?
As for CC when I attended HS? York was the dominant CC program.
We were one of the teams that could beat York (but I got injured right after the sectional), and there were a couple of other teams as well who could beat York back then, but Joe Newton won 28 state CC championships in 57 years coaching.
IL is very competitive for CC, and I see that a couple of years ago St Charles HS in IL had one of the best CC teams ever, if judging by the times for their top 5 runners.
But there is no longer a sustained dominance in CC like there is in other states that posts refer to. Is it because there are only a few pockets of competition in such states, and so the dominant programs keep winning?
This is the result of a couple of private middle school club teams where they recruit the best. The guys and girls on these teams want to compete with each other at the next level. The only way to do that is to go to one of the two dominant private schools in the state.
In Rhode Island no public school on the boys side has a chance. We are 13 years now of these two schools dominating.
Those 2 Schools dominate most of the sports in RI. It's a joke really. 2 private schools drawing from RI, MA and CT, competing against public schools.
Carmel in Indiana....They are one of the biggest schools in the country with 4000-5000 students...Have 2 good feeder programs...But they are big on paavo and there kids generally peak in high school and don't do much in college.
Ben Veatch went there
My parents met there. Funny because when they went it was a 2, maybe 3,000 kid school. My Parents and Grandparents are always talking about how Carmel has doubled, maybe even tripled in size since the 70's, when they lived there
Wayzata boys won a majority of the Minnesota state meets since 2007.
They also have the best JV team in MN just about every year.
For many years, a team of #8-14 Wayzata runners would have been ranked in the top 10 in Minnesota when comparing it against all of the Varsity teams at other schools.
I believe I counted 28 boys under 17:30 5K XC for Wayzata last season. Too much! School should be broken in half. EPO in city drinking water?
Wayzata had 3669 students in the 2019-2020 school year. Crazy.
Does LaSalle or BH draw any talented kids from Mass? I've never heard of any good distance runners from Mass going to either.
Yes, there have been many in the top five of the boys and girls teams that are from other states.
Also, in the past 12 years the girls team has always had 1 or 2 girls in their top 5 that were all state at different public school teams during their freshman year.
In Rhode Island coaches are technically not allowed to recruit but they can get active parents to do that for them. Lasalle and Hendricken are really good at doing this.
On the boys side talent identification can be made at the middle school level which is why public schools have no chance. For the girls, they have a chance because as we all know the maturation process can change things drastically during those years which is why they actively cherry pick from competing teams.
They end up with all-star teams and have done really well in national rankings etc. from a really small state.
It's somewhat of a joke here and pathetic. Everyone involved knows it. They should move to club teams here or enforce the recruiting rules because we are somewhere in between right now.
Does LaSalle or BH draw any talented kids from Mass? I've never heard of any good distance runners from Mass going to either.
Yes, there have been many in the top five of the boys and girls teams that are from other states.
Also, in the past 12 years the girls team has always had 1 or 2 girls in their top 5 that were all state at different public school teams during their freshman year.
In Rhode Island coaches are technically not allowed to recruit but they can get active parents to do that for them. Lasalle and Hendricken are really good at doing this.
On the boys side talent identification can be made at the middle school level which is why public schools have no chance. For the girls, they have a chance because as we all know the maturation process can change things drastically during those years which is why they actively cherry pick from competing teams.
They end up with all-star teams and have done really well in national rankings etc. from a really small state.
It's somewhat of a joke here and pathetic. Everyone involved knows it. They should move to club teams here or enforce the recruiting rules because we are somewhere in between right now.
Thanks for the update. I didn't attend HS in that area, but I find it interesting that CC and T&F have become important enough (to parents?) that recruiting goes on.
Thanks for the update. I didn't attend HS in that area, but I find it interesting that CC and T&F have become important enough (to parents?) that recruiting goes on.
Yeah, the kids are unlikely to get past the Nike Regionals unless the team makes it. The parents know this. So the goal for these programs is to do well as a team at Great American, the Manhattan Invite, and Nike Nationals. The parents are on board with this.
I don't have a major issue if it was a level playing field. The coaches constantly worry about athletes being poached. The AD's at the public schools are very sensitive about adhering to the RIIL rules. The AD's for these two programs look the other way and get away with it as the RIIL also does not get into it with them.
Coaches can not even have their athletes talk to middle school kids about the public school program.
You can't blame the kids. Either join the public school program and have a team that only lives in that town or join a program that has a regional draw and is guaranteed to do well. The Lasalle boys coach is a great guy. No comment on the rest.
saw this thread when searching for another. there's a team in my league that wins XC probably 65-70% of time. good coaches and they seem to get guys every year, but sometimes (say 3-4 seniors graduate) they're significantly weaker
their "secret": running very high mileage (70 mpw). makes them great for XC, but they're never as good at track because of that
Baton Rouge Catholic High (all boys school) has dominated in Louisiana since 1972, with 19 state titles and 11 state runner up finishes. Their '75 team scored a perfect 15 at State and they regularly scored below 30 at state. Coach Pete Boudreaux coached them for that whole time frame and built huge interest in the program; they had 55 guys on the roster this year.
Jesuit (New Orleans) is the current power, beating Catholic last year, and they are loaded with about 6 guys under 9:20 all returning next year. Pretty impressive depth for Louisiana, given the heat and humidity typical for May thru October.
Wayzata boys bouta win state again next year. They’ve been down for the last couple of years but this time they are only graduating 2 guys and returning more than 7 sub 16 guys.
Wayzata should have no trouble winning Griak. I’ll let the Iowa teams know.
Wayzata boys bouta win state again next year. They’ve been down for the last couple of years but this time they are only graduating 2 guys and returning more than 7 sub 16 guys.
Wayzata should have no trouble winning Griak. I’ll let the Iowa teams know.
Couldn’t agree more. They should win NXR again too. They are returning 5 guys that already ran sub 16 last year. They will be the Newbury Park of Minnesota next year.
The same should happen in 2023 too.
They should be moving up in the national rankings too.