Broad Street

bump

Men

1. John Itati, Kenya, 47:59; 2. Joseph Matui, Kenya, 48:34; 3. Mohammad Ar-Ar, West Chester, Pa., 49:20; 4. Tom Haxton, Philadelphia, 50:17; 5. Ross Martinson, Bryn Mawr, Pa., 50:36; 6. Terrance Armstrong, Pompton Lakes, N.J., 50:45; 7. Matt Wagoner, Bryn Mawr, Pa., 50:51; 8. Bill Hoffman, Eatontown, N.J., 51:21; 9. Steve Gourley, Philadelphia, 51:29; 10. Lowell Ladd, Philadelphia, 52:07.

Women

1. Marina Ivanova, Russia, 55:37; 2. Larisa Michailova, Russia, 56:58; 3. Tatiana Belovol, Russia, 56:58; 4. Veena Reddy, Philadelphia, 57:05; 5. Andrea Niggemeyer, Philadelphia, 57:09; 6. Heather Bury, Bruceton Mills, Wis., 57:42; 7. Doreen McCourbie, Malvern, Pa., 58:41; 8. Vanessa Hunter, Arlington, Va., 59:21; 9. Jennifer Rapaport, Melrose, Mass., 59:38; 10. Lisa Thomas, Alexandria, Va., 59:50.

Wasn't there another Bryn Mawr guy around 8th that ran like 50:58.

Where can I find online results?

is that course really fast, or short, because it seemed like a lot of people were running 1-2 mins faster than they usually run.

Since I'm the resident curmudgeon on downhill courses, I'll answer that. Yes, It's downhill, and the times are always absurdly fast.

hey i was there! my neighbor and her fiance were running in it & i watched her 3 kids while she was racing. yeah i'm pretty sure a bryn mawr guy mightve been in the top 8 or so...there were a couple (bryn mawr jersey wearing guys) that looked really good and were toward the front. the russian gal that won really left it all out there she had a fairly slow looking finish. great job to people that raced it!

Yes, oldguy, you are the "dean" of the aided courses. Not only is it a net downhill but it is point to point with one slight turn around City Hall back onto Broad Street. Still a fun route thru the city neighborhoods.

Way to go former DIII guys!

Haxton ran for U. Chicago and Ladd ran for Dickinson.

boykin_curry wrote:

Way to go former DIII guys!

Haxton ran for U. Chicago and Ladd ran for Dickinson.

way to go philly track club guys!!

turtle souped up wrote:

Yes, oldguy, you are the "dean" of the aided courses.

It's a thankless job.

It's a thankless job.

As the saying goes; somebody has to do it...and you have been duly appointed.

BTW, not that this has anything to do with aided courses, where did you run the sub 2:20's?

Start elevation: 170 ft.

Finish: 12 ft.

Plus if there's a wind out of the north you're gonna have it at your back the whole 10 miles - there are very few courses that don't have at least a little bit of direction change - Broad St. is straight as an arrow.

turtle souped up wrote:

BTW, not that this has anything to do with aided courses, where did you run the sub 2:20's?

I ran a high 2:18 at Columbus (loop course), and a mid 2:19 at Chicago (loop course). I also ran a 2:20:01 at San Diego (aided course, net downhill), and a 2:20:++ at Twin Cities (which, although now considered unaided, was actually considered aided under the standards in effect at the time, because of the distance between the start and finish lines). Although my times in all of my marathons in those years were very closely grouped, that wasn't because I ran steadily or conservatively. In a couple of them, I just started out at about 5-minute-mile pace, crashed, and eventually staggered in somewhere around 2:20. I guess if I have one regret in my running career, it's that I never really ran the marathon that I thought I was capable of. I imagine that a lot of runners feel that way.

Good on you, oldguy.

Might be a lesson here somewhere: so are you saying you went out way too fast? How did these races unfold for you?

turtle souped up wrote:

Might be a lesson here somewhere: so are you saying you went out way too fast?

No doubt. But I did very little racing at any distances during my peak running years, so I was never really sure what I was capable of when I entered a race. Also, with the marathon, I figured that I'd rather take a shot at a fast time, even at the risk of a meltdown during the race, since training for and racing the marathon just to take a minute or two off my PR didn't seem worth the effort. My fastest marathon was my most conservatively run, simply because I had been injured for a month leading up to the race, training only on a treadmill on a steep incline, and decided that I needed to run conservatively to get through 26.2 miles of hard pavement. So I did.

I ran the Broad Street Run and was just checking out my results. Which one do I "count" - chip time or final time?

It seems like chip time would be the better measure...so why is "Pace" determined by final time??

Logical. What was your training like? If you didn't race that much, how would you decide what pace is reasonable?