I like fake Laz too wrote:
Get the data right wrote:Any WR should have a rock solid data collection process. If the data gets buggered then it shouldn't be WR worthy. At least not with today's data collection technologies.
In other words, her attempt is NOT letsrun.com certified.
Which is far better than being Mimi certified.
Mimi Anderson - Endurance Athlete is at Target Store Garden-City.
9 mins · Garden City, KS, United States ·
UPDATE
Morning everyone!
We have had several issues with the trackers Mimi has been using.
Unfortunately they only work on 3G and 2G. This has meant no tracking availability when we have either 4G or no signal, which is fairly often as we rarely have 3G or 2G.
We know this has been frustrating for those who love following Mimi's progress and the team have been working hard to find a solution.
We have been able to get a Garmin InReach devices sent out to us (thankyou Luke & Hazel of EverydayExplorers!), now set up and it went live on the website tracker yesterday morning. The device works on GPS via Satellites and as a result we do not expect it to go down, unlike the previous tracker.
Fortunately runners have still been able to join Mimi using the contact form on the website to get through to us and track her from the latest point on the map at which these trackers worked. We appreciate it is much harder without a working live tracker, however we're now back on track (😆) and Mimi can't wait for you to join her on the road.
A new map on the website, a new tracker that actually works and a new State! An exciting day for us all as we're now in Kansas, yes it really is flat as a pancake...although Mimi is already complaining that she misses the hills!
We'd also like to thank Garmin for such fantastic assistance.
Thanks
Jenny
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I didn’t really want to have to release this statement, but I read the above statement blaming our trackers, and thus I am forced to issue my own statement which I believe is fact-based, fair and even-handed.
A team member contacted me on 26th September, stating the trackers kept going down, and asked me to put out a statement explaining why. Without checking, I initially assumed it could well be repeated loss of cell network signal, and had insisted their web developer add a standard caveat I had asked for (in August) that a 2g/3g signal was needed to transmit location. The team member kept stating they only had 4g. I’ll assume no knowledge of the way mobile networks function in this explanation, but fundamentally if they go into their phone settings and disable 4g, they will find their phone will connect to the network via 3g in the same area. It also made no sense that it could be the network because during the long outages the other trackers were live and still working in the same areas, while another was not. So, the explanation for why the trackers had apparently kept going down was not valid.
Nevertheless, I ensured a statement was added to Mimi’s event homepage that evening to cover just in case there were lengthy network blank spots along their route. I went on to have a heated disagreement with the team, about how I was unhappy that the tracker administration was not being managed with due care and attention from some live observations I had made in previous days. The trackers simply required charging every few days, and left turned on, nothing more complex than that. The disagreement escalated over a few hours and I ultimately shared our address, and told the team member to post the trackers back. I wished them good luck, and I left the tracking link live. Despite the disagreement, I did not consider ceasing the tracking that evening, as it might well have fatally impacted the record attempt’s credibility in the eyes of the rest of the community, as they would have surely cried foul. For the next two days, our trackers stayed on, were kept charged and functioned perfectly, exactly as they should always have done, and have done previously when used in cycle events right across the USA.
I decided to investigate our data myself. So, I downloaded the data for Mimi’s tracker from our database, for 8-26th September, and performed a detailed analysis of circa 8000 data points. It transpired, the availability of the 2g/3g mobile cell network and signal on their route had been very good overall, so neither that or the tracker hardware were at fault for the lengthy outages. The analysis shows the tracker had been allowed to run down to 0 battery and subsequently left off, and additionally had actually been physically powered off (likely in error / or lack of familiarity the device’s power cycle). There is well over 40 hours of missed tracking when it was powered down. Similar story with the other two trackers for the RV and Car; the battery expired or tracked powered off many times. In the light of ‘the Rob Young saga’, that kind of administrative carelessness will raise suspicion, even though the tracker’s data is not required for GWR evidence. That night, I emailed the team our data and my analysis of Mimi’s tracker, and highlighted the major issue was lack of administration; not the lack of cell network, and not the trackers. I wished them good luck in my email, and left the door open for a response and apology that would have paved the way for a reconciliation and continued use of our trackers. They didn’t reply to my evidence or email, and have yet to publicly take any responsibility for what is an evidencable admin failing. Today I read a statement squarely laying the blame on my product. This is untrue. If they admit those lapses, it would go some way to providing an explanation for the long outages, and improve their public image, instead of tarnishing our product. They opted not to notify me of their plans to source and implement a new tracker, but as soon as I saw the new single tracker go live (also only providing 2-minute updates as we were), I removed the event URL from our own site to avoid confusion.
So, in summary:
• 3g cell network signal is very good across the vast majority of States
• The tracker’s performance was good, when it remained powered
• The lengthy ‘outages’ that have raised suspicion were due to:
o Tracker battery was left to die, and left off (for 20+ hours)
o Tracker was physically powered off, and left off (20+ hours)
Finally, for the record and from the data I have seen, I believe this attempt is genuine. I have not seen evidence that this is a scam, has or is being spoofed. I was told by them they are getting 4 hours sleep a day. They sound overworked and under-resourced. I’d suggest lack of sleep and help, led to mismanagement of the trackers and their repeated loss of power, for which the community rightly raised issue, and has resulted in lost confidence in the attempt. This should have been positive publicity for us, but has not been. We can’t afford to have our product name sullied, regardless of how tired the team is. The attempt must be administered with care and shown to be spotless. I’m certain after this scrutiny they will stay on top of using the new tracker and hopefully restore community confidence in the validity of the attempt. I won’t be making any further statement on this matter, or responding to any questions. I continue to wish Mimi and her team every success.
Cheats?
RUPP
MEB
racedrone wrote:
I didn’t really want to have to release this statement, but I read the above statement blaming our trackers, and thus I am forced to issue my own statement which I believe is fact-based, fair and even-handed.
A team member contacted me on 26th September, stating the trackers kept going down, and asked me to put out a statement explaining why. Without checking, I initially assumed it could well be repeated loss of cell network signal, and had insisted their web developer add a standard caveat I had asked for (in August) that a 2g/3g signal was needed to transmit location. The team member kept stating they only had 4g. I’ll assume no knowledge of the way mobile networks function in this explanation, but fundamentally if they go into their phone settings and disable 4g, they will find their phone will connect to the network via 3g in the same area. It also made no sense that it could be the network because during the long outages the other trackers were live and still working in the same areas, while another was not. So, the explanation for why the trackers had apparently kept going down was not valid.
Nevertheless, I ensured a statement was added to Mimi’s event homepage that evening to cover just in case there were lengthy network blank spots along their route. I went on to have a heated disagreement with the team, about how I was unhappy that the tracker administration was not being managed with due care and attention from some live observations I had made in previous days. The trackers simply required charging every few days, and left turned on, nothing more complex than that. The disagreement escalated over a few hours and I ultimately shared our address, and told the team member to post the trackers back. I wished them good luck, and I left the tracking link live. Despite the disagreement, I did not consider ceasing the tracking that evening, as it might well have fatally impacted the record attempt’s credibility in the eyes of the rest of the community, as they would have surely cried foul. For the next two days, our trackers stayed on, were kept charged and functioned perfectly, exactly as they should always have done, and have done previously when used in cycle events right across the USA.
I decided to investigate our data myself. So, I downloaded the data for Mimi’s tracker from our database, for 8-26th September, and performed a detailed analysis of circa 8000 data points. It transpired, the availability of the 2g/3g mobile cell network and signal on their route had been very good overall, so neither that or the tracker hardware were at fault for the lengthy outages. The analysis shows the tracker had been allowed to run down to 0 battery and subsequently left off, and additionally had actually been physically powered off (likely in error / or lack of familiarity the device’s power cycle). There is well over 40 hours of missed tracking when it was powered down. Similar story with the other two trackers for the RV and Car; the battery expired or tracked powered off many times. In the light of ‘the Rob Young saga’, that kind of administrative carelessness will raise suspicion, even though the tracker’s data is not required for GWR evidence. That night, I emailed the team our data and my analysis of Mimi’s tracker, and highlighted the major issue was lack of administration; not the lack of cell network, and not the trackers. I wished them good luck in my email, and left the door open for a response and apology that would have paved the way for a reconciliation and continued use of our trackers. They didn’t reply to my evidence or email, and have yet to publicly take any responsibility for what is an evidencable admin failing. Today I read a statement squarely laying the blame on my product. This is untrue. If they admit those lapses, it would go some way to providing an explanation for the long outages, and improve their public image, instead of tarnishing our product. They opted not to notify me of their plans to source and implement a new tracker, but as soon as I saw the new single tracker go live (also only providing 2-minute updates as we were), I removed the event URL from our own site to avoid confusion.
So, in summary:
• 3g cell network signal is very good across the vast majority of States
• The tracker’s performance was good, when it remained powered
• The lengthy ‘outages’ that have raised suspicion were due to:
o Tracker battery was left to die, and left off (for 20+ hours)
o Tracker was physically powered off, and left off (20+ hours)
Finally, for the record and from the data I have seen, I believe this attempt is genuine. I have not seen evidence that this is a scam, has or is being spoofed. I was told by them they are getting 4 hours sleep a day. They sound overworked and under-resourced. I’d suggest lack of sleep and help, led to mismanagement of the trackers and their repeated loss of power, for which the community rightly raised issue, and has resulted in lost confidence in the attempt. This should have been positive publicity for us, but has not been. We can’t afford to have our product name sullied, regardless of how tired the team is. The attempt must be administered with care and shown to be spotless. I’m certain after this scrutiny they will stay on top of using the new tracker and hopefully restore community confidence in the validity of the attempt. I won’t be making any further statement on this matter, or responding to any questions. I continue to wish Mimi and her team every success.
Thanks, Richard. Your version of what really happened with the GPS trackers is both logical and believable and backed up by US cell phone coverage maps that I had posted to this thread. It is unfortunate that Mimi's team continues to post outright lies about what really happened and hang Race Drone out to dry.
racedrone wrote:
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Mimi Anderson - Endurance Athlete is at Target Store Garden-City.
9 mins · Garden City, KS, United States ·
UPDATE
Morning everyone!
We have had several issues with the trackers Mimi has been using.
Unfortunately they only work on 3G and 2G.
Pretty much what has already been confirmed. Racedrone is okay for urban environments. Don't count on it for long trail runs, ultra races, or hiking, and certainly not in the wilderness.
A useful app as long as it is used in appropriate settings.
Is should add that it is a less expensive option for tracking urban/suburban runs. You can leave your Garmin at home and use it when you really need it.
Your tracker wrote:
racedrone wrote:[quote]
Mimi Anderson - Endurance Athlete is at Target Store Garden-City.
9 mins · Garden City, KS, United States ·
UPDATE
Morning everyone!
We have had several issues with the trackers Mimi has been using.
Unfortunately they only work on 3G and 2G.
Pretty much what has already been confirmed. Racedrone is okay for urban environments. Don't count on it for long trail runs, ultra races, or hiking, and certainly not in the wilderness.
A useful app as long as it is used in appropriate settings.
You really have no clue what you're talking about. Nothing has been confirmed.
The RaceDrone trackers are perfect for long trail runs, ultra races, hiking, ... and are used by RaceDrone and other providers all the time for such events.
Folks, this thread is about Mimi, it's not about Sandra anymore.
Careful in that Glass House wrote:
St Marker wrote:British cheats:
Mo
Froome Dawg
Paula
Rob Young
Dame Kelly Holmes
Wiggo
Ben
Simon Yates
Team Sky
U.K. cycling 🚵
Should I go on - what is it about the UK?
Lolz. Try out the wonderful resource that is Wikipedia, not perfect I know, but a fine list of banned athletes for athletics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athleticsNow press Crtl + F on your keyboard and type in United Kingdom (3 matches) and Great Britain (16 Matches). Next try United States (96 matches)
Well look at that.
Yes, we have some issues in the UK and myself I'm very cynical about some of our best performers, but Mo only started getting suspected of cheating when he moved to the US and got himself a US coach. Where did Dwain Chambers get his goodies from again? British Cycling stinks to high heaven, but again I don't know if the US are in a position to wash their hands of any cycling guilt just yet.
Rob Young, Dave Reading etc are grade A w**kers. You have plenty of frauds your side of the pond too or this website wouldn't exist (www.marathoninvestigation.com)
In one sentence you state that Mimi's previous experience/record counts for nothing and then some moron comes along and says that what a bunch of random people, that she is connected to by Nationality, affects how she is treated. It's one or the other. The past either matters or it doesn't. I'm pretty sure Pete's experience made a difference in how you treated him, as well as his Nationality.
There is no doubt in my mind that Pete's run is 100% legitimate, but I have the same faith in Mimi too.
It's funny how Galen Rupp and Centro have gone down the pan after the FBI started investigating Salazar? Lucky the Americans don't cheat so it must just be a coincidence.
Yeah I'm just as sceptical about Rupp/ Centro etc as you pal
Merely pointing out "Team GB" has a odd habit of circling the wagons and promoting obvious cheats
This ticks me off wrote:
Letsrun.com has busted another CHEAT like Rob Young.
This I why I read Letsrun.com - not for the results but for the doping busts (Jama Aden, Paula's off scores etc) and to see attention-seeking slow runners like Kipp Litton, Rob Young or Mimi Vi get totally busted after trying to pull some fake stunt to try and resolve some psychological deficit which results in a pathological need for some sort of "recognition" from the general public.
Well, they've got "recognition" now but not in the way wanted!
My only question is why do they bring all this attention onto themselves and then cheat when surely they must be aware that posters on sites like Letsrun will be watching their attempts like hawks for any sign of cheating? Are they that disconnected from reality?
Mimi and her handlers are throwing Racedrone under the bus, and/or they have been fudging the run. Either scenario leaves a bad taste. If it's both they are corrupt to the core.
That 'racedrone' post was bad news for Marvelous Mimi, she's been outed and it completely discredits her in an "iron fist in a velvet glove" sort of way.
If I was her I'd be developing an injury right now before I dug the hole any deeper for myself and return home and spend time with the grandkids and retire from stunt running, why?, because anything she does from now on will be properly scrutinized, which will mean even more bad news for her.
Yes wrote:
Mimi and her handlers are throwing Racedrone under the bus, and/or they have been fudging the run. Either scenario leaves a bad taste. If it's both they are corrupt to the core.
I totally agree. Mimi and her team have no shame.
Wasn't Paula cleared though by an independent body? Why do we keep bringing her name up?
stopwatch results wrote:
some fake stunt to try and resolve some psychological deficit which results in a pathological need for some sort of "recognition" from the general public.
My only question is why do they bring all this attention onto themselves
It's called NPD, Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Climate change is real wrote:
Wasn't Paula cleared though by an independent body? Why do we keep bringing her name up?
Idk. Meanwhile, Mimi threw Racedrone under the bus.
The LR sleuths do it again. wrote:
That 'racedrone' post was bad news for Marvelous Mimi, she's been outed and it completely discredits her in an "iron fist in a velvet glove" sort of way.
If I was her I'd be developing an injury right now before I dug the hole any deeper for myself and return home and spend time with the grandkids and retire from stunt running, why?, because anything she does from now on will be properly scrutinized, which will mean even more bad news for her.
+1000
I think someone needs to post the Race Drone rebuttal onto the URC thread to clear Race Drone's name. I can't believe all the so called experienced ultra runners over there are so gullible and can't think logically to look at what really happened.
The CV of Mimi, just for interest.
Yes wrote:
Mimi and her handlers are throwing Racedrone under the bus, and/or they have been fudging the run.
^THIS
Blames others when the true fault is hers and her "team's." She will do everything to claim a record regardless of how much they buggered the data. That is not the sign of a good person, and not consistent with claim exemplary records.
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
I’m a D2 female runner. Our coach explicitly told us not to visit LetsRun forums.
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
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Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!