HGH and Masters Athletes?

past master wrote:

We produce less HGH as we get older. It's not a problem. In a healthy person, the natural level is the right level. Of course quacks will dish out bad advice prescriptions for just about anything.

It has many negative effects.

Nature does not guarantee anything. Some people have naturally too low hormone levels even in their youth. Nature does not give a shit about 40+ people. It doesn't care if they all die.

past master wrote:

A healthy person produces the right amount.

There is no guarantee of this. Also old people are no longer that healthy. Aging is a progressive disease.

past master wrote:

Go ahead and take whatever shit you want to take, it's your body.

Or you could grow up and act your age?

-8/10 Lol

What fun is there acting your age at age 40+?

What does it even mean? You have to do the same boring stuff everybody else is doing and be fat?

Just Amazed wrote:

past master wrote:

Go ahead and take whatever shit you want to take, it's your body.

Or you could grow up and act your age?

-8/10 Lol

I get the impression 'Past Master' is an old wrinkled up runner who cant compete anymore with those who look after themselves and is just bitter!

FYI I take nothing illegal as I want to be the best I can be for me, as the OP posted a way to improve this is naturally raising HGH levels through fasting

76576756 wrote:

[quote]past master wrote:

It has many negative effects.

Nature does not guarantee anything. Some people have naturally too low hormone levels even in their youth. Nature does not give a shit about 40+ people. It doesn't care if they all die.

Anti-aging hormone replacement therapy is the wave of the future. You're already seeing it with some aging athletes. It'll change the future of aging. Sound nutrition, consistent excercise & HRT is the future for the aging population.

And I do think, that smarter manipulation of our diets and hormones will see increasing performance benefits as the population age.

Seeing more and more performances like Gatlin, Collins and whiteman. athletes of elite level still performing but also performances of those who have simply been 'good' and stayed good as they age

If you look on that site at the recent champs and the performances across the M35 and M40 sprints for instance, times that hold very well for club/regional competitions

gHRp wrote:

I get the impression 'Past Master' is an old wrinkled up runner who cant compete anymore with those who look after themselves and is just bitter!

What distance would you dare to race me over?

Voice of Reason wrote:

Anti-aging hormone replacement therapy is the wave of the future.

There is no such thing. Cell division slows as we age. Scientists will find a way to alter this in the next few decades, but not yet.

ubgug wrote:

What fun is there acting your age at age 40+?

What does it even mean? You have to do the same boring stuff everybody else is doing and be fat?

This is a pretty mundane thread. Lets get to business; what are some of the pro athletes using for GH? There are a growing number of aging athletes who seem to do fairly well as they get older. It can't be all better nutrition, training methods, cross training and all that. A 39 yr old top pro cyclist (Sammie Sanchez) just tested positive for GHRP-2. So, is this the secret weapon that some of these ageless wonders are using? 🤔

past master wrote:

Voice of Reason wrote:

Anti-aging hormone replacement therapy is the wave of the future.

There is no such thing. Cell division slows as we age. Scientists will find a way to alter this in the next few decades, but not yet.

Growth hormone promotes cell division.

I doubt very much if Tony Whiteman is using anything like this. He is doing a great job of holding on to his natural speed. 24.1 for 200 is probably very close to his all time 200 best which isn't listed. Also he races up to 10k. He's putting the work in. There are no short cuts. Genetically he is not ageing as quickly as some others maybe? But, then again if you keep doing the workouts without overdoing it, you're not going to slow down much from year to year.

LOL PM.

At 30 I run 1:51 for 800 16:12 for 5k and 22.5 for 200 not great I know but Im sure I can hold my own against you. but then again key board warrior lets see your obviously faster records

And you're an idiot!

HGH increases levels of IGF and MGF which by there very nature influence cell division hence the increase in IGF Lr3 use and speculation so yes increasing HGH naturally will have these very same benefits to some degree!

As for pro's Id agree that GHRP-2 amongst other antagonists are being used because they work! and less detectable and easy to obtain.

past master wrote:

Older guys that run too fast wrote:

Alien genetics?

How can a 45 yr old run 1:49 and smash the M45 WR by 5 secs?

Never seen anything like this before.

Tony Whiteman. Probably one of the most consistent runners y'all have never heard of?

http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=1748#1992

The guy's a miler/speedster, but he should run faster than 16:05 for 5k. There are plenty of 50+ guys here in the US that go 16 or sub-16 and have a mile time nowhere near 4:10.

past master wrote:

There is no such thing. Cell division slows as we age. Scientists will find a way to alter this in the next few decades, but not yet.

No way Charlie!

Some master's athletes are literally reversing the aging process. Ever heard of Senoir sprinter Greg Pizza? He tested positive a few years back for T (testosterone replacement therapy...neglected to get TUE). Look at his photo...the guy's 62 and doesn't look a day older than 50! And, nonetheless, he ran 12.74 for 3rd at the championships. That's freaking smoken for a 62 year old! (I'm late 50s and can't even break 17 😄).

I am 60, everyone guesses my age as 40 (only a few stray gray hairs in my beard, for one thing. Still can fit into my college jeans size for another). My 400 time has slowed 12 seconds since 40. I am aging from the ground up.I don't compete anymore, but HRT is cheating pure and simple. If you take that crap, then don't compete.

Crusty Old Runner wrote:

past master wrote:

There is no such thing. Cell division slows as we age. Scientists will find a way to alter this in the next few decades, but not yet.

No way Charlie!

Some master's athletes are literally reversing the aging process. Ever heard of Senoir sprinter Greg Pizza? He tested positive a few years back for T (testosterone replacement therapy...neglected to get TUE). Look at his photo...the guy's 62 and doesn't look a day older than 50! And, nonetheless, he ran 12.74 for 3rd at the championships. That's freaking smoken for a 62 year old! (I'm late 50s and can't even break 17 😄).

http://timesofsandiego.com/sports/2016/01/27/62-vista-sprinter-facing-4-year-drug-ban-urges-easing-rules/

GHGHGHGHG wrote:

I am 60, everyone guesses my age as 40 (only a few stray gray hairs in my beard, for one thing. Still can fit into my college jeans size for another). My 400 time has slowed 12 seconds since 40. I am aging from the ground up.

I don't compete anymore, but HRT is cheating pure and simple. If you take that crap, then don't compete.

No Charlie...it's not cheating if you a have TUE, which Pizza said he didn't know he needed have to bring low T up to normal levels. And USADA agreed with him:

wow, firstly that's my site and article

I am a competing Master obviously fairly new to the scene, I am all for the manipulation of diet for health but in no way the use of any substance! the whole point of athletics is to be the best you can be, as you!

As for TUE I am torn about these tbh as the practice of HRT with athletes appears to mostly be a USA thing, as most anti aging therapies are very difficult to get hold of, especially in places like here in the UK.

So Pizza has run 12.8 and 26.6 in 2017, which would put him in the top 25 worldwide among 60-64. He is now 63. If you sort out the 60-62at athletes, he is top 10 among 63+. So we now for a fact that one juicer is competing at a high level, with official approval, no less.

Who decides what is "normal levels", Greg's doctor?

It Pizzes me off knowing this is the current state of things.