"What the Health" Netflix film - thoughts?

famous American clock cleaner wrote:

Yes, and where are these vegan cultures, exactly?

Here's the problem with everything you're saying: all you do is repeat your party lines throw in a few buzzwords, and make mass generalizations: all of which leads you to the startling conclusion that your diet is the only way to live healthily.

You don't provide any specific details of cultures who eat vegan and are better off for it, you don't point to studies that show "plant based diets" are better, and you dont actually identify the typical American diet- instead you make generalizations about it and expect us to believe you after you knock down all those strawmen you carefully put up

You make good points but would do well reading the China Study.

You can be perfectly healthy being vegan if you are careful. But nobody goes vegan for health reasons, it's done for religious reasons.

Keep up the solid conversation boys and girls.

I've been vegetarian for almost 5 years. I'm not totally vegetarian for health purposes, but I do feel like it's been a great health decision

Guaranteed you are a white person. Veganism seems to be a white people disease

Why, so I can suffer through more misconstrued academic research based upon one race of human beings in one singular part of the world? Is it also a coincidence that this author supports a plant based diet? I've suffered though enough s h i t t y research, made by people with an agenda, thanks

Gender Cheats wrote:

famous American clock cleaner wrote:

Yes, and where are these vegan cultures, exactly?

Here's the problem with everything you're saying: all you do is repeat your party lines throw in a few buzzwords, and make mass generalizations: all of which leads you to the startling conclusion that your diet is the only way to live healthily.

You don't provide any specific details of cultures who eat vegan and are better off for it, you don't point to studies that show "plant based diets" are better, and you dont actually identify the typical American diet- instead you make generalizations about it and expect us to believe you after you knock down all those strawmen you carefully put up

You make good points but would do well reading the China Study.

cbenson4 wrote:

I think it's pretty obvious that type II diabetes can be caused by either high fat or high carb diets. The two extremes do not work well. If all you're eating is candy and pasta and you're not exercising, you'll probably become diabetic eventually. By the same coin, eating a diet excessive in meat can lead you to becoming diabetic as well, not to mention increased cancer risk. Of course, with both scenarios, the patient would probably be obese or at least overweight, which is a huge risk factor for disease in and of itself.

It's hard to get diabetic without getting fat first. Diabetes type 2 is a disesase of excess calories. You wont get fat eating a lot of lean meat but your cancer risk can increase.

famous American clock cleaner wrote:

Why, so I can suffer through more misconstrued academic research based upon one race of human beings in one singular part of the world?

Is it also a coincidence that this author supports a plant based diet?

I've suffered though enough s h i t t y research, made by people with an agenda, thanks

Gender Cheats wrote:

You make good points but would do well reading the China Study.

Well, he does now.

He was a dairy farmer...

S. Canaday wrote:

People go "Atkins" or "Paleo" and they initially lose some water weight and cut out some refined sugar. Duh you cut out refined sugar and highly processed food (and in the case of Paleo, dairy). What happens to cholesterol long term though? Does the weight/body fat creep back up? Likely it does. How about IGF-1? People start to gain weight again after putting butter and eggs in their coffee to make it "bulletproof" for breakfast. Watch what happens in the next 10-15 years of doing stuff like that.

Cholesterol will go up in a few weeks time. That doesn't take a lot of time.

If you have too low IGF-1 that can cause problems too. People with low IGF-1 levels are taking growth hormone releasing peptides for example to slow down the signs of aging.

ChurchHill Downs wrote:

People make things way too complicated. Life expectancy and quality is primarily determined by genetics, physical activity, and avoidance of directly toxic substances like cigarettes, coal dust, large amounts of alcohol, etc, etc.

Cholesterol level, blood pressure and BMI have A MASSIVE effect on life expectancy.

Just finished off a full serving of clean hormone-free milk.

40 grams of protein

Crazy carbs in disaccharide form

Tastes almost as good as ice cream

SORRY-NOT SORRY

BETTER THAN STEROIDS

dietss wrote:

Cholesterol level, blood pressure and BMI have A MASSIVE effect on life expectancy.

And also on quality of life. :)

ChurchHill Downs wrote:

People make things way too complicated. Life expectancy and quality is primarily determined by genetics, physical activity, and avoidance of directly toxic substances like cigarettes, coal dust, large amounts of alcohol, etc, etc.

Diet trumps all these combined. :) Genetics is a big factor though.

Umm wrote:

[quote]famous American clock cleaner wrote:

Well, he does now.

He was a dairy farmer...

Funny how a quick 30second read through his Wikipedia bio would tell you that while he grew up ON a dairy farm, he has spent his adult life in academia.

So, do you have anymore misinformation you were hoping to spread?

nakedand wrote:

Just finished off a full serving of clean hormone-free milk.

40 grams of protein

Crazy carbs in disaccharide form

Tastes almost as good as ice cream

SORRY-NOT SORRY

BETTER THAN STEROIDS

All milk has natural estrogens. Hormones in milk have zero effect on your blood levels of hormones.

famous American clock cleaner wrote:

Umm wrote:

[quote]famous American clock cleaner wrote:

Well, he does now.

He was a dairy farmer...

Funny how a quick 30second read through his Wikipedia bio would tell you that while he grew up ON a dairy farm, he has spent his adult life in academia.

So, do you have anymore misinformation you were hoping to spread?

Alright, came from that background. So no real reason for bias.

The fact that he is pro vegan now after the evidence he found isn't evidence for bias but a change based on what he's learnt.

Umm wrote:

famous American clock cleaner wrote:

Funny how a quick 30second read through his Wikipedia bio would tell you that while he grew up ON a dairy farm, he has spent his adult life in academia.

So, do you have anymore misinformation you were hoping to spread?

Alright, came from that background. So no real reason for bias.

The fact that he is pro vegan now after the evidence he found isn't evidence for bias but a change based on what he's learnt.

Just to be clear, you argument is: "this guy read a lot of books, changed his mind, and therefore plant based diets are correct"

Assuming, of course, that he wasn't pro plants for food while he lived on a dairy farm, which would be a gross generalization of dairy farmers

Life expectancy took a huge leap when medications stopped diseases like influenza from killing millions especially children. Washing hands probably had as much to do with increasing life expectancy as anything else.

I like being one simply because it spontaneously makes meat-eaters indignant.

40 grams of proteinCrazy carbs in disaccharide formTastes almost as good as ice cream SORRY-NOT SORRYBETTER THAN STEROIDS

dietss wrote:

nakedand wrote:

Just finished off a full serving of clean hormone-free milk.

40 grams of protein

Crazy carbs in disaccharide form

Tastes almost as good as ice cream

SORRY-NOT SORRY

BETTER THAN STEROIDS

All milk has natural estrogens. Hormones in milk have zero effect on your blood levels of hormones.