So it looks like millennial males are 'opting out' of college, choosing not to waste time and (parents) money for it

Flagpole wrote:

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Doesn't matter who wanted the change. Making a college-supported even more inclusive is NOT a liberal thing. They still had Santa there!

Sheesh, Santa, the ultimate guise of hedonistic consumerism (not Christianity, though its roots may be there).

Let's bash Christians and use "being inclusive" as a cover for it. Bonus: "being inclusive" (at least of the right people) is practically a sacrament to libs!

Flagpole wrote: This is what a thoughtful university would do...it is NOT indicative of what a liberal university would do.

Whether or not you can describe it by "thoughtful", it's also indicative of what of a university that is also (say) overly concerned about gender pronouns and/or scared of lawsuits or "Dear Colleague" enforcement fedgov letters would do. But that's redolent of universities as a whole these days, as not even many "conservative" ones will stand up to the PC madness.

Anyway, what was the end result of this? Was anyone found guilty of anything, besides maybe the reporters of hyperbole?

Well, let's get the facts straight.

According to several accounts, the football players attended the play because they are enrolled in a freshman-level theater course that requires the students to attend a specific number of plays throughout the semester.

Nothing wrong with that, though of course when the theater's schedule runs decidedly in one sociopolitical direction, I'm guessing that e.g. A Man For All Seasons wasn't an option.

Anyway, the end result seems to be:

“The football players were asked by the athletics department to apologize to the cast,” Ole Miss Theatre Department Chair Rene Pulliam said.

Whether this was for general disruption, or specifics of the alleged slurs, is not made clear.

The main reason why there would be no hecklers at the Laramie Project staging at a liberal university is that the "liberals" would curiously not be very kind or inclusive to the hecklers, and antifa tactics would ensue against them. Of course, other "protests" against university events would be welcomed in open arms by the same liberals at a liberal university, as long as it's conservative voices that are shut down. Here, having approximately 20 football players involved probably helped them not get bashed.

Just PC, neither lib nor cons wrote:

Flagpole wrote: This is what a thoughtful university would do...it is NOT indicative of what a liberal university would do.

Whether or not you can describe it by "thoughtful", it's also indicative of what of a university that is also (say) overly concerned about gender pronouns and/or scared of lawsuits or "Dear Colleague" enforcement fedgov letters would do. But that's redolent of universities as a whole these days, as not even many "conservative" ones will stand up to the PC madness.

There was a time in our country when the vast majority of our citizens either were Christian or celebrated Christmas in some way. Our nation has changed (for the better I might add) because we have become an even bigger melting pot than we started out as. Entrance into our fine nation often comes in the form of Universities. To recognize that a big percentage of the student body doesn't consider themselves Christian is not PC madness. It is proper to change when things are wrong...we no longer have slaves, women can vote, and now, getting that not everyone is Christian is just another step toward what is proper. Go do your Christian stuff at your home or your church. Why have a need to do that at a state college for an event that is supposed to be for everyone?

Ole Miss is a very conservative college.

Personal danger wrote:

The main reason why there would be no hecklers at the Laramie Project staging at a liberal university is that the "liberals" would curiously not be very kind or inclusive to the hecklers, and antifa tactics would ensue against them. Of course, other "protests" against university events would be welcomed in open arms by the same liberals at a liberal university, as long as it's conservative voices that are shut down. Here, having approximately 20 football players involved probably helped them not get bashed.

Too bad this play gets all the press (and indeed, as most theater, it's mostly propaganda and loose with the facts of the reality of Shephard), while the gays who contemporaneously strangled a boy in his underwear (after multiple rapings) are essentially memory-holed.

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Too bad this play gets all the press (and indeed, as most theater, it's mostly propaganda and loose with the facts of the reality of Shephard), while the gays who contemporaneously strangled a boy in his underwear (after multiple rapings) are essentially memory-holed.

The media coverage difference was That's because Dirkhising "taught us nothing knew", i.e. Shephard brought us to appreciate LGBT, while, well, Dirkhising (re)proved that gays rape teenage males. Nothing to see here.

Ole Miss is a very conservative college.

You've said this umpteen times, and the only example was that there were some alleged hecklers at a class-enforced play about a gay guy (which would NEVER happen a lib university supposedly), and that maybe the university didn't investigate this seriously enough. On the other hand, multiple examples of uber-liberal PC-ness have been given on the other hand.

To recognize that a big percentage of the student body doesn't consider themselves Christian is not PC madness.

Not sure what this "big percentage" is, and it likely only matters to bean counters given your point, but I'd guess that at a VERY conservative US university in the South, I'd guess that 75% of them would consider themselves to be Christian.

Comparatively, what about recognizing that a large percentage (at least 50%) of the Mississippi student body couldn't care less about LGBT propaganda, and doesn't like it jammed down their throats by thinkers of correctitude at every possible juncture?

Go do your Christian stuff at your home or your church. Why have a need to do that at a state college for an event that is supposed to be for everyone?

Apply your logic to on-campus LGBT events, and maybe we'll get somewhere.

Flagpole wrote: getting that not everyone is Christian is just another step toward what is proper. Go do your Christian stuff at your home or your church. Why have a need to do that at a state college for an event that is supposed to be for everyone?

There was no "Christian stuff" at the event (unless you count Santa and Papa John's), it was just a naming convention that was changed, in response to perceived PC sensibilities (not even PC complaints). Calling a seasonal event by the same term as the US federal government calendar, that is "Christmas", can hardly be seen as a religious act. Just as UK universities have "Lent" and "Michaelmas" terms, yet no one thinks these are amok either way (either as Christian-implying or "too Christian" as Ole Miss would claim), but they keep the name via ancient tradition anyway.

... Bunch of religious and LGBT stuff argued about in the context of "conservative" and "liberal" universities by Flagpole and others ...

You guys are going to get the thread deleted...

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Well, let's get the facts straight.

According to several accounts, the football players attended the play because they are enrolled in a freshman-level theater course that requires the students to attend a specific number of plays throughout the semester.

Typical. Indoctrinate the youth (freshmen!) with LGBT propaganda. Why does a "VERY conservative" university like Ole Miss allow its theater department to do this?

Were the Muslim class members allowed to skip out on this play, to be more inclusive and avoid offending their sensibilities?

I think Ole Miss should ban de-facto religions like football.

Someone once told me that if you want to get the attention of an oriental that doesn't speak English, you just need to drop a tray of silverware. Is this true?

Incredible. Comments like this demonstrate the importance of a college education. So, the average person who wants to become an engineer is going to teach himself differential equations through mathfun.com?You're an idiot.

Why does Flagpole think he's left wing? Has he still not figured out why poor people hate the Democrats? Why working people hate the bourgeois cultural crusaders in academia?

Wharton Business School at U Penn...one of the top b-schools in the country. CRAZY conservative.

runningprof wrote: So, the average person who wants to become an engineer is going to teach himself differential equations through mathfun.com?

As those who attend bricks-and-mortar unis will tell you (from their frosh orientation), the correct term is ze-self. (Assuming said person self-refers singularly.)

I am still confused. Why are so few conservative/right-wing schools not highly rated/respected? Did anyone here go to a conservative school. It appears that most conservative forum members chose liberal schools OVER conservative schools even though they did not like their time there. What was the attraction?

Not a troll post. I would like a better understanding of the topic.