How much of a warmup and cooldown are they doing for their workouts?
On their easy days are they doing a second run more like 15k?
These are the places I could see them getting in another 20 or so more miles
The most mileage I have ever done in a single week is a 118 miles. My longest run in that week was 11 miles. If they just double everyday, a 110-120 miles in a week can easily be done with no runs longer than 9 miles. Not sure if that is what they are doing, just throwing it out there.
BTC also is a highly strength based program. One long run of two hours with some structure workout in it of fartlek or progression (way longer than the Ingebrigtsens run). One day or hills or 200s/300s (getting longer and becoming more speed endurance as the season progresses). One day is threshold/tempo but 8-10 miles of it.
The Ingebrigtsens are similar to BTC in mileage but more doubles, fewer long runs, and multiple threshold sessions as opposed to one super long session. This seems to work better for staying healthy as you aren’t doing too much in one session.
So...let me sum up the thread. No-one knows jack about their training really.
I think we've covered the range of 'lots of threshold' to 'one threshold in 12 sessions a week' to miles to who knows what.
Who cares? Whatever they do is guaranteed to be
(a) absolutely nothing new
(b) Even if we knew for sure, it would be of no use to ordinary schmucks anyway.
They are super talented and work hard and (by good fortune)are in the right life situation.
Yes they are talented but so are lot of young people.
The difference imo is the year round long term approach their father coach takes. It seems that focus is on aerobic development with mostly threshold intensity. No one workout makes it special but the accumulation of many years seems to be the key to their training.
In contrast, jumping from coach to coach, season to season, and program to program will only yield minimal results. This is what many Americans are doing every few years from youth to middle school to high school to college and then if they aren’t burned out by then maybe pro. Often with three different seasons of different coaches.
In contrast these young men are being developed year round year after year... Along with being developed appropriately with a focus on the aerobic/threshold and not lots of VO2 sessions with tons of races (American system).
Therefore, long term year round private coaching with a focus on aerobic/threshold development is the key to their success imo.
I would like to see America do away with the current school system it has and move to a private system focused on long term development like this.
So...let me sum up the thread. No-one knows jack about their training really.
I think we've covered the range of 'lots of threshold' to 'one threshold in 12 sessions a week' to miles to who knows what.
Who cares? Whatever they do is guaranteed to be
(a) absolutely nothing new
(b) Even if we knew for sure, it would be of no use to ordinary schmucks anyway.
They are super talented and work hard and (by good fortune)are in the right life situation.
Yes they are talented but so are lot of young people.
The difference imo is the year round long term approach their father coach takes. It seems that focus is on aerobic development with mostly threshold intensity. No one workout makes it special but the accumulation of many years seems to be the key to their training.
In contrast, jumping from coach to coach, season to season, and program to program will only yield minimal results. This is what many Americans are doing every few years from youth to middle school to high school to college and then if they aren’t burned out by then maybe pro. Often with three different seasons of different coaches.
In contrast these young men are being developed year round year after year... Along with being developed appropriately with a focus on the aerobic/threshold and not lots of VO2 sessions with tons of races (American system).
Therefore, long term year round private coaching with a focus on aerobic/threshold development is the key to their success imo.
I would like to see America do away with the current school system it has and move to a private system focused on long term development like this.
America (USA) can of course also succeed to produce a couple of world top runners within the system, but then needs a coach who knows how to best do it the American way.......and allow that coach to continue to coach the runners when finished school. We must understand that the Ingebrigtsen brothers (and a sister) have a ton of talent given by genes in a perfect random mix (for running) from their parents. In contrary to what they father claiming, they have enormous talent to run fast at 1500m and up. Gjert, their father, just want to make his training system look more unique than it actually is. If Sang,Salazar or JS had coached them they had probably been as good as they are.
As a Scandinavian and coaching some norwegians I know the basic in the brother Ingebrigtsen training.They are all trained by their father Gert-Inge. Basically it`s about a lot of threshold training (intervals and so on at 2-4 mmol). And Jakob is said to be doing f.ex faster 200m intervals as complement......it`s nothing very different from many known systems and can be said to be a system where the training has a buildingphase with more mileage and after a sharpening phase.....these 3 brothers are extremly talented and it`s really strange that they all have that talent. I just came to think about an example from the animal world and breeding trotters....It`s not usual that a good stallion only gives very good trotters. Just a relative thing I came to think about.
Comparing the Ingebrigtsen brothers to good trotters and their father as the Stallion 😆
As a Scandinavian and coaching some norwegians I know the basic in the brother Ingebrigtsen training.They are all trained by their father Gert-Inge. Basically it`s about a lot of threshold training (intervals and so on at 2-4 mmol). And Jakob is said to be doing f.ex faster 200m intervals as complement......it`s nothing very different from many known systems and can be said to be a system where the training has a buildingphase with more mileage and after a sharpening phase.....these 3 brothers are extremly talented and it`s really strange that they all have that talent. I just came to think about an example from the animal world and breeding trotters....It`s not usual that a good stallion only gives very good trotters. Just a relative thing I came to think about.
Comparing the Ingebrigtsen brothers to good trotters and their father as the Stallion 😆
Yes, but to his defence he managed to write both of Gjert Arne’s first names wrongly..!