Letsvote.com: Anyone associated with Salazar is tainted. YES or NO?

its OBVIOUS mo farah n rupp is doping

Yes with different levels of culpability.

Everyone now agrees that Alberto is a slimeball. Some of us think he is guilty of doping and others don't. However all of us see him as someone that we would not want our own child associated with.

Anyone that ever ran for NOP has a certain degree of a dark cloud over them.

Anyone that continues has a dark black cloud.

Serious Voters Only wrote:

Its becoming clearer and clearer that Salazar is a dirty man and so are his athletes. Vote on it. Agree or disagree? No Nike shills allowed.

I vote yes. You would have to suspend common sense to believe otherwise.

The answer is no. Until and unless hard evidence is provided supporting that. "Appears likely" is not hard evidence. AND........he may have exceeded the 50ml amount? By how much? By 2 ml, 5ml, 500ml? Likely a lot to do about nothing. Now of course everyone here will have their own opinion, which is as it should be. That's mine.

Free Advice wrote:

Running will certainly get a black eye if all this turns out to be true. It would be a shame if Rupp, Centro and Farah have to return their Olympic medals.

In response to your question, yes, anyone associated with Salazar will now seem tainted.

Remember when Kara Goucher was somewhat ostracized for speaking out against Salazar and the NOP? Though I'm sure she would receive no joy in watching runners lose their medals, I hope she would at least feel a little vindicated.

Vindicated? By everyone's logic here, she (and her husband) are also guilty by association and a doper and thus should lose any medals they have as well. So far everything I've read is conjecture and innuendo. Give me hard evidence. I'm not sure I believe Goucher is a doper. Crybaby yes, doper no.

green flash wrote:

its OBVIOUS mo farah n rupp is doping

Yea they both look like Jarmilla. Maybe Rupp is taking a brand spangled new drug that increases the size of his ears so he gets lift, thereby making a significant improvement in his performance.

Rayo wrote:

oasme wrote:

Yes, based on the evidence we have seen, repeatedly goes beyond the gray area with higher doses and handing out medications or hormones without a prescription to do so.

The thing that I don't get in terms of those that defend him is that it is clear that he is willing to move into these so called Gray areas. Therefore it is a very short hop into the black area, especially from his own moral stance. So really the default position should be this.

I think a lot move into the gray zone, just so happens that Saladbar is the lighting rod, so he gets all the scrutiny. I recall experimenting with DMSO, sodium bicarb, and several other things when I was competing, none of which was pushed by any of the SMTC coaches at the time, and none of which were illegal.

NO

No to guilt by association, and no to Salazar being dirty for that matter. The grey zone is his playground. Either tighten up that grey zone, or find a new high horse to ride.

YES.......sadly YES!!!

No... don't believe in guilt by association...

No.

If you look at their results over time, the only athlete that seems suspicious / tainted is Mo. His results after joining NOP were essentially night and day.

Everyone else has built up over time (Rupp) or were already accomplished before joining (Centro, Rowbury, Jenkins).

Worst kept secret wrote:

all of us see him as someone that we would not want our own child associated with. .

this is the best answer. If my son ran for NOP I'd be ashamed of it. Seems to me that's as true a tell as I can think of.

Pretzel Man wrote:

Tainted Love wrote:

YES.

Should Salazar be banned from the sport? YES

And if you were given the opportunity to train under his guidance you would turn it down? ?

Absolutely. I wouldn't go anywhere near him.

Vetfried wrote:

This is why Letsrun never should have published a leaked report. Now athletes like Tara Welling, Dathan, Dawn Grunnangle, all of whom are still competing look guilty. Their name is being dragged through the a mud when it was supposed to remain private. On that note, why are people like myself willing to let them off the hook, because they claim they didn't know? Maybe Rupp is clueless too. Sad to say everything concerning NOP is STILL a gray area despite what this leaked article says.

I would like to vote No even though ignorance does not mean innocence.

The NY Times had already reported on this leaked document prior to FloTrack posting it in its entirety. The Times article makes Tara Welling & Ritz look pretty damn guilty - assuming the "my trainer rubbed it on me" excuse still doesn't hold. The precedent has long been established that the athlete holds the final responsibility to comply with anti-doping rules.

I'm not sure about how much responsibility the athletes have...first off I don't understand how Dr Brown felt it moral/legal to discuss the athlete's health/lab reports/plan of care with their running coach and not with the patient themselves or at least directly involve them in conversations about their own health. From the articles it sounds like most were unaware...I mean isn't this a HIPPA violation? Def. scetchy but I'm not sure if the athletes are to blame...some ppl if a coach and especially a doctor tells you to do something..they just do it ( not an intentional nike pun)

I vote NO. Not tainted.

I applaud the do-whatever-it-takes-without-explicitly-violating-WADA-rules approach. Pushing the envelope -- that's how things work at the top of any profession.

SlowDad wrote:

I vote NO. Not tainted.

I applaud the do-whatever-it-takes-without-explicitly-violating-WADA-rules approach. Pushing the envelope -- that's how things work at the top of any profession.

Dont tell it to these lightweights....

Kara really emerges from the story as a HERO

She was asked to take drugs and she PERSISTED and walked away from tons of medals (literally)

In the end, she is the winner, the NOP clowns are LOOSERS

HRE wrote:

Letsrun publishing the report has probably had no effect on people's opinion about whether athletes like the ones you mention are guilty. Unless you're totally new to the sport you staked out your opinion on NOP long ago and the report will either anger you because it says more bad things about it, which you've already decided are untrue, or you like it because it confirms your reasons for disliking it. Or to relate things to the OP's question, if you think an athlete involved wit Salazar is tainted you already thought so before you read this report.

There isn't an ounce of value in this long winded post.

Yes, they are all tainted. Just like in criminal court, you always get caught for something less serious than what you really did wrong. All these guys take EPO and other crazy stuff that's easier to pass drug tests. They'll get busted for some minor thing but we know the truth.