Stpehan Shay and Nathan Shay filed complaint use of excessive force by HB Police

I was driving back home with my daughter yesterday on the highway when we were followed by a local trooper for a few miles, followed us off our exit, just being a nuisance.

She knows I can't stand cops and I told her this - "the whole concept of cops is wrong. We're told to look for the good in people. Cops only look for the bad in people, that's why they behave and are perceived so negatively."

kjhg wrote:

I was driving back home with my daughter yesterday on the highway when we were followed by a local trooper for a few miles, followed us off our exit, just being a nuisance.

She knows I can't stand cops and I told her this - "the whole concept of cops is wrong. We're told to look for the good in people. Cops only look for the bad in people, that's why they behave and are perceived so negatively."

And did that stop you from being an OLYMPIAN?

That is what the lawsuit is about. Stephen is claiming that this incident kept him from being an Olympian.

He still ran the trials. He never had a chance of making the team. Is he friends with that other guy who lives in the van to chase his dream?

I hope the pigs in question are fired for their cowardly actions. I also hope the Shay family hires an attorney that is smart enough to not let the disclaimer of "the department/officer admits no wrongdoing, etc." when settling the claim, as is often the case. Pigs do not like to accept responsibility for their actions.....ever.

The Shays seem like nice people but I'm hoping someone they know, or perhaps someone unknown to them, will take up their cause and pay that bully pig back with a good dose of street justice.

Thank for sharing the story wrote:

I hope he wins and they have to pay him a very large settlement.

Problem is that large settlement comes from the taxpayers.

Trying again and again wrote:

kjhg wrote:

I was driving back home with my daughter yesterday on the highway when we were followed by a local trooper for a few miles, followed us off our exit, just being a nuisance.

She knows I can't stand cops and I told her this - "the whole concept of cops is wrong. We're told to look for the good in people. Cops only look for the bad in people, that's why they behave and are perceived so negatively."

And did that stop you from being an OLYMPIAN?

That is what the lawsuit is about. Stephen is claiming that this incident kept him from being an Olympian.

That doesn't really have anything to do with the merits of the suit. It's about whether his constitutional rights were violated. Judge for yourself whether you think his allegations are credible or if he "got what was coming to him."

You are wrong. The dollar amount of any judgement is based on HARMS. You must prove how much $$ you are out. For example Meb would have been able to get a 6 figure judgement based on what he would of lost from the beating.

I'm sure there's another dude to this story.

Yes, it would probably affect the damages calculation if he wins - not whether his claims have merit in the first place.

We are doing A LOT of armchair quarterbacking here with very few facts and only allegations from one side.

In order for Shay's brother to be detained for (presumably) DUI, there have to be enough articulable facts (1 or 2 is enough) for a reasonable and knowledgable person to suspect a crime has occurred, is occurring, or is about to occur and the person(s) detained MAY be involved

This is called Reasonable Suspicion and is a very low threshold.

In order for Shay to be arrested for arrested, there have to be enough articulable facts such that a reasonable person would believe a crime occurred and that the person arrested PROBABLY did it.

This is called Probable Cause and is a substantially higher threshold than Reasonable Suspicion, but is still MUCH lower than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" necessary for an actual conviction.

We have ZERO idea as to the facts of this case, who did or said what, and what the articulable facts are that the police reported to justify their actions.

Without the police report to give us that side of the incident's story, all we have is a guy pontificating to lawyers and the media and all our opinions without that report are equivalent to a useless bag of old dog shit.

None of what you say about thresholds has anything to do with use of force.

Mr. Obvious is absolutely correct. Still Don't Know, you sir are talking in circles. The bottom line is that there was NO reason to use violence or force of any kind...it's a power trip and nothing more. My BIL is a cop. If you even think of fighting back, aka defending yourself, they know "I got ya!!!!". They will put you in cuffs and it's going to cost you money and they know that. It rarely has any affect on them or their record. That's why cops are getting sh*t at, people are sick and tired of it.

kjhg wrote:

I was driving back home with my daughter yesterday on the highway when we were followed by a local trooper for a few miles, followed us off our exit, just being a nuisance.

She knows I can't stand cops and I told her this - "the whole concept of cops is wrong. We're told to look for the good in people. Cops only look for the bad in people, that's why they behave and are perceived so negatively."

I was once at an Catholic Church related, informal event in Queens, NY, maybe 12-14 years ago. There was an off-duty cop there as well as some Franciscan priests and brothers. The priests and brothers were talking about their work with the poor. The cop chimed in saying he's always reaching out to the poor, though usually with handcuffs.

Serpico is still alive wrote:

Mr. Obvious is absolutely correct. Still Don't Know, you sir are talking in circles.

The bottom line is that there was NO reason to use violence or force of any kind...it's a power trip and nothing more.

My BIL is a cop. If you even think of fighting back, aka defending yourself, they know "I got ya!!!!". They will put you in cuffs and it's going to cost you money and they know that. It rarely has any affect on them or their record. That's why cops are getting sh*t at, people are sick and tired of it.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

None of what you say about thresholds has anything to do with use of force.

How do you know the was NO reason to use force?

The United States Marine Corps wrote:

Stephen, Nathan, and Dr Tao are fortunate the cops they encountered are not United States Marines. Otherwise they would have been choked, beaten,bones snapped, until they were dead.

You flat topped wussbag. The Shay brothers aren't defenseless Iraqi women, so you'd need four of five marine pansies to beat on one of them. Then you'd claim PTSD and suck more money from the country's teat.

John Utah wrote:

Comply with police directives and there is very very little chance there will be a problem. Almost never is if you've don't nothing wrong and then cooperate with law enforcement.

If the dude blew a 0.0 then the cops would have sent him on his way eventually.

Brother has to get involved in police business and was likely belligerent. He got what was coming.

Cops are out there trying to get drunks off the road. Drunks who kill people about 10k to 20k per year. Let LE do their job and respect their authority.

Mr. Utah goes to PBA picnics with a jar of lube and an eager and willing mouth.

Not only do you NOT respect any form of pig, you do not talk to them. Get an attorney.

Did you intentionally wait for the 25th Anniversary to post this link? If so, well played.

https://youtu.be/e1dPKfxRhk0

Let's use our brains. Take a deep breathe and think.

To use force, the cops have to have reason. Where does it say that anyone involved lunged at one of the Officers? Where does it say that the Officers felt they were going to be attacked?

THERE WAS NO REASON TO USE FORCE.

I know the law (wink, wink) and realize what constitutes an Officer to use force. Neither defendant had a weapon or charged towards the Officers. So what happened?

The Officers used their power to say "sit boy" and "don't talk boy" and when one of the defendants didn't do what they said, the green light goes on that now I can say in my report that I gave the person a direct order and they didn't "obey my command", hence I felt the right to use force. Wake up!

Understand now? There was NO reason for the Officers to use force. It was bullying and abuse of power.

Had sympathy for the Shay family after the death of Ryan at Central Park , but

With the whole dude living on the beach trailer and training , and now now this bullshit - tells me , they are American tinkers .