Fisher is a 5k guy

Lapped Miler wrote:

My guess is Grant, Joe, John, Justyn and others (but there are not many), identify what must be done, and make sure it gets done - every day. Period.

Steady improvement doesn't just happen, it takes an attitude of CAN and WILL. Daily attention to improvement is not a question of whether you can. It's a question of whether you will.

No such thing as a talent gene - never been found. Their skill comes from deliberate practice. Whether they make it to the international level or not the attitudes and work habits these athletes have will translate from one area of life to another.

Listen to their interviews. If you own a company, hire these kinds of people.

I am from MI also. If this is true how come you aren't running 12:48 yourself or faster?

comparing klecker and dressel to ryan hill is a gigantic stretch.

The ghost of Pat Davey wrote:

I am from MI also. If this is true how come you aren't running 12:48 yourself or faster?

You statement is silly.

I am talking about those that "wish they had," versus those that are glad they did. Progress, takes deciding what one pays attention to and consistently working towards goals. My guess is these guys left ease behind and their success is the natural consequence of being consistent - day in day out. They have great thoughts, actions, habits, and attitude, and companies should hire people like this.

I would like to think 12:48 could be accomplished cleanly, would be possible from great genetics, great coaching, coupled with consistent work ethic, no major setbacks, and a special mentality. All of which I never had.

- I agree .... Klecker and Dressel can both run a 5K & much more flexible in their racing tactics compared to "1 Trick Pony" Ryan Hill who is only competitive in the 3K & a "last lapper" or else racing tactician.

usnspecialist wrote:

But... wrote:

I would disagree with that last statement. Fisher, Dressel, and Klecker are all the same age (more or less). Dressel and Klecker have improved nicely, seem not to be injury-prone, and are just starting to make their mark on the NCAA (and have 2-3 more years to do it). I'm not sure what more you could want from them.

Fisher is amazing, and he definitely has the tools to be internationally good, but I think Klecker or Dressel (or both) could also reach Ryan Hill level eventually.

comparing klecker and dressel to ryan hill is a gigantic stretch.

At this point in Ryan Hill's career, he'd gotten All-American three times, twice in XC and once in the outdoor 5000 (where he finished 7th). His personal bests were 3:40, 7:50, and 13:44.

At this point in Joe Klecker's career, he's gotten All-American twice, once in XC and once in the indoor 3000 (where he finished 4th). His personal bests are 4:01 (altitude converted to 3:56; if you don't buy that, it's still at least a 3:40), 7:51, and 13:42 (plus a 29:32).

At this point in John Dressel's career, he's gotten All-American four times, twice in XC, once in the indoor 5000 (where he finished 4th), and again the next day in the indoor 3000 (where he finished 8th). His personal bests are 3:45, 7:51, and 13:42 (plus a 29:20).

It's a gigantic stretch to say that either of the Colorado boys will match the career of Ryan Hill, since everything broke right for him. Similarly, it's a gigantic stretch to say that Fisher will be international class, since everything will have to break right for him. It is emphatically NOT a stretch, however, to say that at this point in their careers, Klecker and Dressel's achievements are comparable to Ryan Hill. Nor is it a stretch to say that, should everything break right for them too, they could achieve comparable success as has Ryan Hill.

To be fair, Klecker has an injury prone history. I'm from MN (where klecker went to HS) and he was basically out for half his 4 years. That being said, he's always had the raw talent and it's great to see him making a huge leap in college (though he was 8:50/4:04 in HS)

Being compared to Ryan Hill is an honor for all of these guys. Let's wish them the best and support all of the promising young collegiate US runners.

As an aside, I believe Fisher when compared to Hill has been clearly several steps above from his last two years of HS and his first couple of years of college. Anything can happen, I hope one or all of these guys will be able to continually improve and compete at the international level.

Fisher has shown that he can from making it to world youth championships (youngest competitor in the 1500 finals) world junior championships (youngest competitor in the 1500 field) U.S. Olympic trials (youngest competitor in the 5000 field). Fisher turned 20 yesterday and he was the youngest in the NCAA 5000 finals last year where he ran 13:30 (3rd fastest US Junior time in history) the top placed under classman in XC the last two years.

He sure looked good running 13:37 on Friday and opening up the 40m gap on the field in the last 250m.

I am of the opinion that GF is a 5k-10k guy long term who happens to have great 1500 speed.

Deadly_Squirrel wrote:

I am of the opinion that GF is a 5k-10k guy long term who happens to have great 1500 speed.

I'd partially agree, I'm not sure how he can roll a 10k but I am down for him to prove me wrong and kill the 10,000m. I see him as much more of a 5000m runner with good 1500 speed considering what someone above said, 13:30 is an AMAZING time for a junior. Grant's got a great future as long as he stays consistent and healthy.

Fisher is a marathon guy. For sure.

With that marathon speed, he could be the Ryan Hill of ultras.

The ghost of Pat Davey wrote:

[quote]Lapped Miler wrote:

My guess is Grant, Joe, John, Justyn and others (but there are not many), identify what must be done, and make sure it gets done - every day. Period.

Steady improvement doesn't just happen, it takes an attitude of CAN and WILL. Daily attention to improvement is not a question of whether you can. It's a question of whether you will.

No such thing as a talent gene - never been found. Their skill comes from deliberate practice. Whether they make it to the international level or not the attitudes and work habits these athletes have will translate from one area of life to another.

Listen to their interviews. If you own a company, hire these kinds of people.

Hey, The ghost, etc -- nice job of quoting what I didn't write. It was MI Strong who wrote the above quote, in response to something I had written.

There's no way he's only running 60-70 mpw. Consistently in the 70s would be believable but still low.

Stay tuned wrote:

We'll have to wait and see. Should be fun watching them duke it out the next couple of years.

You are wrong.

In the 60's.

I would say it's fair that a Colorado guy has less of a chance to compete at the next level as a similar PR opponent. It's kind of like the very good HS kids from top programs like York, CBA, etc.

These guys and gals are trained so well that they're maximizing their talent and many of the people they're competing against are not. There are tons of CU kids who have been top 10 in XC over the past 15 years, many of them multiple times, and I've rarely considered any of them as future US studs.

There obviously are CU kids who do very well at the next level but they seem to be the extremely talented ones (Goucher, Jorge, Ritz, Jenny, etc.) and not the system ones who are simply very talented (Schoolmeester, Murphy, Theroux, Moussa, etc.). Please don't take this as a knock at the coaching of the CU or those HS teams, it's actually the opposite.

Look through the CU list of All Americans below, it's pretty remarkable for its consistency and depth. These guys are so well coached you know they're going to bring it in November and then run 13:40s/7:50s on the track. That said, you almost never see a Buff winning a track race. I was actually shocked to see Saarel win at Stanford this past weekend.

http://www.cubuffs.com/sports/2016/6/29/all-time-mens-cross-country-all-americans.aspx

MI Strong wrote:

My guess is Grant, Joe, John, Justyn and others (but there are not many), identify what must be done, and make sure it gets done - every day.

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Listen to their interviews. If you own a company, hire these kinds of people.

100% agreement here

aGREED wrote:

MI Strong wrote:

My guess is Grant, Joe, John, Justyn and others (but there are not many), identify what must be done, and make sure it gets done - every day.

...

Listen to their interviews. If you own a company, hire these kinds of people.

100% agreement here