Brazier 1:44.63

You thought he was the second coming of Christ before the Olympic Trials and he crapped the bed. Why do you think anything has changed in 9 months?

At the moment he's a fast runner but is he a RACER?

There is a huge difference. Let's see how he does at the World's....if he even makes the team.

Hold them back please wrote:

You thought he was the second coming of Christ before the Olympic Trials and he crapped the bed. Why do you think anything has changed in 9 months?

At the moment he's a fast runner but is he a RACER?

There is a huge difference. Let's see how he does at the World's....if he even makes the team.

Did you not see him RACE McBride at the NCAA champs?

Just to point out the obvious. wrote:No chance of 1:41

no

he was in shape then of ~ 1'42-flat

a dip into 1'41s was possible

It's a lot tougher than sitting at your desk calculating drafting etc

no

it isn't

it's a trivial exercise if you know race analysis

no he wasn't a 1:42 low guy last year

no

he was ~ 1'42-flat +/- coupla tenths

calculo wrote:

Just to point out the obvious. wrote:No chance of 1:41

no

he was in shape then of ~ 1'42-flat

a dip into 1'41s was possible

It's a lot tougher than sitting at your desk calculating drafting etc

no

it isn't

it's a trivial exercise if you know race analysis

no he wasn't a 1:42 low guy last year

no

he was ~ 1'42-flat +/- coupla tenths

World of difference between 1:43.5 and 1:42 flat. He won't approach the latter anytime soon. You are right about 1 thing though, predicting a 1:42 flat from the comfort of your lazyboy is indeed a trivial exercise!

Yes, it would of been nice to see Brazier compete early on a bigger stage.

longjack wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

Agree. Brazier decided to do the Olympic Trials like 2 weeks before the race. He had been going hard since winter, peaked for NCAAs, then drove home to Michigan and had to train by himself for the trials. His one bad performance doesn't say anything about his championship racing ability.

the best thing that could have happened to him is to miss the OG.

doing too much kills young athletes. 100%.

yes i mean look Bernard Lagat, Eliud Kipchoge, etc. young talents burned bright but flamed out fast

Altered State wrote:

World of difference between 1:43.5 and 1:42 flat. He won't approach the latter anytime soon.

Rudisha ran 1:43 high at 19, 1:42 at 20 and 1:41 WR at 21 (and 1:40.91 at 23).

Look where Brazier is.

Ridiculous to be so dismissive of Brazier. He is the biggest 800 talent since Rudisha. Of course he might get injured or burnt out, but he's nearly 20 - too old to do an Obea Moore.

handmedown wrote:

So Murphy and Jock both accepted. I'm sure Boris would have but he's hurt right now. Murphy won the 1K but he was already on the team. Sowinski won the 600 so he got invited and accepted. Then they went to the runner ups in the 600 and 1K. Probably felt like Loxsom would be a better option than Kidder so gave it to him and let Kidder get a free trip to the Bahamas as an alternate.

Does Kidder really get to go and just bask in the sun or is he on standby in the USA?

abraham chebii wrote:

Altered State wrote:

World of difference between 1:43.5 and 1:42 flat. He won't approach the latter anytime soon.

Rudisha ran 1:43 high at 19, 1:42 at 20 and 1:41 WR at 21 (and 1:40.91 at 23).

Look where Brazier is.

Ridiculous to be so dismissive of Brazier. He is the biggest 800 talent since Rudisha. Of course he might get injured or burnt out, but he's nearly 20 - too old to do an Obea Moore.

After 2012 people speculating when Amos would break Rudisha's WR. Now Murphy and others talking golds and wr times. It's as if all these knowledgable followers forget that 99+% of world class athletes don't have any possibilities of world records. Were Farah, Lagat, Kipchoge etc etc ever a chance of running under 12:37? Never. Is Centro a shot at sub-3:26? Never (unless uncle Al dreams up some sort of magic turtle soup). Same too for Murphy and Brazier.......Great athletes just not likely to get within anywhere near the times of the great David Rudisha. They'll run faster if he drags them to faster times, less likely (like Amos, Aman etc) to do it by themselves....

Doesn't mean we should dismiss him. Just because Amos didn't do it doesn't mean Brazier won't. Lets root for guys that have a chance to do what Centro did.

abraham chebii wrote:

Altered State wrote:

World of difference between 1:43.5 and 1:42 flat. He won't approach the latter anytime soon.

Rudisha ran 1:43 high at 19, 1:42 at 20 and 1:41 WR at 21 (and 1:40.91 at 23).

Look where Brazier is.

Ridiculous to be so dismissive of Brazier. He is the biggest 800 talent since Rudisha. Of course he might get injured or burnt out, but he's nearly 20 - too old to do an Obea Moore.

Every couple of years a certain group goes gaga over an American black 800 runner who's gonna destroy Rudisha's records. First its Solomon, then its Berian, and now Brazier. After everything is said and done, none of them amount to anything more than even some guy from tiny Bosnia - Amel Tuka. Get a grip already.

1:43 is not 1:39 wrote: Yes, and Murphy will surely run 1:38

Didn't you know...Ryun already ran 1:39! Sheesh!

Brazier is much younger than when Solomon broke 1:43. So is Berian. Whether he ever touches Rudisha's records is a long shot. But an American record this year would not surprise anyone. He has as good 400m speed as any American 800m runner has had in a long time probably but also was a good hs xc runner and a very good miler at that level.

As for Nijel Amos, he dissipated his talent and like Aman and Kiptum was certainly considerably older than advertised.

From Michtrack on Facebook (Jeff Hollobaugh) "My interview this week with Donavan Brazier after his big 1:44.63 in his final race as a teenager..."

https://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/category-features/3173-brazier-adapting-well-to-being-a-pro

Stop nonsense wrote:

abraham chebii wrote:

Rudisha ran 1:43 high at 19, 1:42 at 20 and 1:41 WR at 21 (and 1:40.91 at 23).

Look where Brazier is.

Ridiculous to be so dismissive of Brazier. He is the biggest 800 talent since Rudisha. Of course he might get injured or burnt out, but he's nearly 20 - too old to do an Obea Moore.

Every couple of years a certain group goes gaga over an American black 800 runner who's gonna destroy Rudisha's records. First its Solomon, then its Berian, and now Brazier. After everything is said and done, none of them amount to anything more than even some guy from tiny Bosnia - Amel Tuka. Get a grip already.

Straw man nonsense; no one will "destroy" 1:40.9 and I don't recall anyone claiming Soloman or Berian would be dominant figures.

I'm not an American, but I have eyes. Brazier is a special talent, he flows like Kipketer or Rudisha.

Where is all the talk about Brazier peaking too early? After all, Murphy's one second quicker run a week later is a big topic for all the know it all SJW types who are clutching their pearls and stomping their heels hoping that Murphy will flame out early this season. Maybe Murphy really is running it all on strength (which I doubt) but the negativity and obvious racism is hard to ignore.

Stop nonsense wrote:

abraham chebii wrote:

Rudisha ran 1:43 high at 19, 1:42 at 20 and 1:41 WR at 21 (and 1:40.91 at 23).

Look where Brazier is.

Ridiculous to be so dismissive of Brazier. He is the biggest 800 talent since Rudisha. Of course he might get injured or burnt out, but he's nearly 20 - too old to do an Obea Moore.

Every couple of years a certain group goes gaga over an American black 800 runner who's gonna destroy Rudisha's records. First its Solomon, then its Berian, and now Brazier. After everything is said and done, none of them amount to anything more than even some guy from tiny Bosnia - Amel Tuka. Get a grip already.

1:42.34 now at 22; he's over a second behind Rudisha but has had considerable injury problems.

First world title at age 22. The same as Rudisha.

Fingers crossed he can stay healthy and make some real inroads into the 1:41s and get near that world record in the next couple of years.