The emperor has no clothes: Jemima Sumgong has tested positive for EPO!!!

rojo wrote:

Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.

I know there are tons of drug busts but for some reason this is blowing me away. What's the point of being a fan anymore.

I guess it's because of this.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/11/dr-gabriele-rosa-talks-turning-stanley-biwott-jemima-sumgong-marathon-stars-doping-kenya/

If this holds up, Dr. Gabriela Rosa, lied to my freaking face. It reminds me ofa conversation I had with David Epstein a few years back after he helped expose Lance Armstrong as a fraud. I said, "What was the most surprising thing you learned?"

He replied along the lines of, "That a grown human being can stare you straight in the race and very convincingly tell you something with great passion that is a total lie."

I now know what he's talking about.

Really?

Gabriele Rosa came from Italy. He was previously in the sport of CYCLING. He started his first training camp in Kenya in 1991. Federico Rosa came to Kenya in 1996. Claudio Berardelli came to Kenya in 2004. Today they have 5 training camps in Kenya.

Do you see any pattern developing?

1) Matthew Kisorio (58:46 half marathoner) coached by Claudio Berardelli, managed by Federico Rosa, banned for the anabolic steroid nandrolone, which is administered by IM injection, also talked in interview about drugs injected which increased oxygen in blood and endurance… which sounds like EPO.

2) Rita Jeptoo (2:18:57 marathoner) coached by Claudio Berardelli, managed by Federico Rosa, banned 4 years for EPO use at Boston and Chicago marathons in 2014. Rita won both Boston and Chicago marathons in 2013 and both Boston and Chicago in 2014.

Rita's training partner Priscah Jeptoo ran a 1:05 half-marathon, won the London marathon, won the NYC marathon, and won the Silver Medal at the 2012 Olympics.

One of Rita's other training partners was Jemima Sumgong. So far, Rita Jeptoo has not returned any of the $175,000 to the Boston Marathon people that she obtained by doping and cheating.

There was already a warning sign about Jemima Sumgong in 2012.

3) Jemima Sumgong has won the 2016 London marathon and the 2016 Olympic marathon Gold Medal, and has now also tested positive in 2017 for EPO use. One of her present training partners is Sarah Chepchirchir who just ran 2:19:47 to win the Tokyo marathon. Jemima Sumgong is having a nice house built with the money that she obtained by doping and cheating.

4) Agatha Jeruto- 800m runner, banned in 2015 for 4 years for 19-norandrosterone (major metabolite of the anabolic steroid nandrolone), also coached by Claudio Berardelli and managed by Federico Rosa.

Three women that were ready to win the WMM $500,000 bonus money have been banned for EPO use: Liliya Shobukhova (2:18:20, Russian low altitude doper who was faster than all Kenyans and all Ethiopians in all of recorded human history), Rita Jeptoo, and now Jemima Sumgong.

Take a look at what the Rosas said in their statement about Sumgong.

"The news has shocked us and we distance ourselves from what happened: as Rosa e Associati we’ve been following more than 2,000 Kenyan athletes over 27 years and the cases positive to controls were numerically insignificant and all in the last FIVE years.

"...doping in Kenya has become a plague, because of unscrupulous Kenyans doctors who approach the athletes, brainwashing and subjecting them to illegal treatments."

The statement by Gabriele Rosa and Federico Rosa is FALSE.

Gabriele and Federico Rosa are either having a very convenient selective memory loss or their statement is a LIE.

Hey Gabriele Rosa, Federico Rosa, and rojo/wejo.

Can you remember the name Pamela Chepchumba?

5) Pamela Chepchumba tested positive for EPO in an in-competition test (someone was not very careful) at the 2003 World XC Championships, and was managed by Federico Rosa. Pamela Chepchumba is another EPO positive athlete managed by Federico Rosa. She did NOT test positive in the last five years.

There are now 5 athletes managed by Federico Rosa who have been banned for doping. Gabriele Rosa does not mention any banned athletes in his book about himself.

Federico Rosa does not mention Pamela Chepchumba in this interview. Federico also refuses to give the name of the Italian doctor in Kenya whom he sends his athletes to, when he is asked by the interviewer. Federico also says that he is going to get a machine to do blood testing, and that he will publish the results to show everyone that his athletes are CLEAN. (That sounds familiar.)

Federico did purchase his own machine for blood testing.

Federico NEVER published any results for any of his athletes.

Do you see any pattern developing?

It is just a coincidence.

yeah see the trend , scumbags and traitors of the highest order................

at very least should be doping italians but this is all money , money .......

and doing iaaf own dirty work for them .

also partly contributing to destruction of athletics in europe by sheer numbers and

doping in other places , off course on purpose.

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freeman obviously on epo at very least and with french 400m girl

benefitted heavily from it .

then suddenly throws it in when shit scared their was a test for it .

her coach went to o'sullivan another epoian and assumed sqeaky clean

thorpe was another in right time and place .

2020 tokyo olympics will be the same always need a local athlete

winning something ,that great feel good story b.s

bought and paid for , giving freedom to dope up to event.

had brazilian pole vaulter in rio , only possible guy that could of medalled

and french guy had to take it , ioc politics comes first.

well it be that fake japenese sani brown guy

or a marathoner or 400mh or etc

Yes we do -- I just re-read these words. Your claim that it's all based on the IAAF's word is your own pure personal fabrication.I'm an American in Europe sometimes using an International English laptop which auto-corrects with British spellings. The fact that you've again drawn a conclusion that contradicts reality does not surprise me. Your confidence in standing behind a false conclusion also does not surprise me.That "WADA", "The WADA-IC", "UKAD", and the "IAAF" are "separate" organizations cannot be disputed. In the past, you've challenged their "independence". The fact that your claims change over time also does not surprise me.The WADA-IC also wrote that they had the "leaked" database that Ashenden and Parisotto used, the one that was released without the IAAF's knowledge. If this 2011 OOC sample was missing, it was missing in all databases, those provided by the IAAF, and those "leaked" without the IAAF's involvement. But go ahead and feel free to add another fabricated "hole" to your arguments.The IAAF scandal was attempted bribery, extortion, and collusion with Russia, Russian athletes, and then some Turkish athletes. Nothing about the scandal indicated that the IAAF made sample data disappear. The IAAF actually made a number of sanction recommendations -- the failure was in enforcement of the IAAF sanctions, not the IAAF holding back sanction recommendations. This again is another case of you fabricating a new argument, in order to allow you to say it's "complete bull" that many separate organizations had all of the availability data, by inventing incompleteness.

I think if I were being paid, I would go underground, and post under many pseudonyms, making it look like many people share my interpretation of anti-doping science.

El kenyanoo wrote:

Is rekrunner being paid to post here?

It looks suspiciously like he is

You are that one that turned something that was about Canova's blood data of Italians, Kenyans and Chinese, into something about Paula and Coe preventing yet another independent analysis.It's also me who can't help respond to your trolling attempts.

casual obsever wrote:

El kenyanoo wrote:

Is rekrunner being paid to post here?

It looks suspiciously like he is

No way. He constantly gives us winks that he is just trolling, e.g. by pretending that IAAF is a reputable, not corrupt, organization and Saugy a trustworthy scientist, not the sample destroying Russian advisor who told Armstrong how to beat the EPO test.

Yet sometimes I can't stop responding to him. Oh well, maybe this time I'll learn.

More from Federico Rosa:

“There are doctors around Kenya who do such things (doping),” he said. “But rather than making a story, we try to clean up the sport. All our athletes had a big press conference in Eldoret after New York, old athletes and new. And never has there been any doping in our camp. At the end of the day we are 100% clean.”

Since Federico’s father, Dr. Gabriele Rosa, arrived on the running scene from the world of cycling in the mid-1980s, I suggested that in any such case one might expect rumor and innuendo given the connection between Italian physicians, doping in cycling and Lance Armstrong.

“The perception of people is the most difficult thing to overcome,” he agreed. “When someone says something, it is hard to take back. We joined cycling for only one year (1985), and then we ran away from it because my father thought it was too dangerous."

“Many people are jealous because of our success."

"I don’t need to justify myself, but I have bought a machine and will do testing protocols every month on all my athletes to prove they are not cheating. We need to protect the names of our athletes and our company.”

https://tonireavis.com/2015/01/28/rosa-associates-to-conduct-independent-drug-testing-in-kenya/

Federico Rosa is a total joke.

Dr. Gabriele Rosa was in CYCLING!!!

Then he came to Kenya... with no EPO test until the year 2000... and almost zero OOC testing until just the last few years.

It has been a big party going on since 1991.

How much money is in their bank accounts?

SkyRunner.at.Altitude11,033ft. wrote:

It has been a big party going on since 1991.

How much money is in their bank accounts?

Probably a lot, SkyRunner.at.Altitude11,033ft.. But our house troll will continue defending all cheats here, from Aden to Sumgong. Apparently he thinks that's funny.

Oh well. All of this is just a coincidence. Measurement errors, remember?

@rekrunner: please keep this up. Then these doper threads will never end.

Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1bVy8ic_H4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heW5B4MP54

ha ha ha

It is just a coincidence.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Lydiard is God wrote:

Perhaps Kiwis and Aussies should be in charge since there are so few cheaters among them, or so it would appear.

Normally I would be in favour of this, but is this really true? Australian Rugby League is dripping with Ostarine, then look at Sonny-Bill Williams. Cathy Freeman 48s for 400m, no way that is clean, sadly.

The team sports are riddled with PEDs. Just look at the size of recent all-star All Blacks centres Ma'a Nonu and Conrad Smith compared to legendary pairing Bill Osborne and Bruce Robertson. The former would crush the latter physically, but their skills are comparable.

But athletics doesn't seem too bad. Other than Willis, it's not like we're tearing the track up.

Unfortunately, a lot of youngsters are lured to the big-paying sports. Every athletic kid in NZ would like to play for the All Blacks, not to mention Rugby League, Aussie Rules, football, cricket etc.

As for Freeman, she did make the Queensland team when she was 10 (yeah, I know, the 'always talented' argument). Very salt-of-the-earth person, and humble. It would be a total bummer if she cheated. Similarly, Sally Pearson has age records in Little Athletics (Oz institution) going back to her early teens. It's funny how a slew of Americans breezed past her all of a sudden. Maybe aducd2022's beloved igf had something to do with it.

SkyRunner.at.Altitude11,033ft. wrote:

Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1bVy8ic_H4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heW5B4MP54

ha ha ha

It is just a coincidence.

My gosh, that is very coincidental.

Kenyans and Ethiopians started winning world cross-country as early as 1981.I think you and the blood doctor can keep these threads alive perpetually with or without me. There are no facts that cannot be molded to fit doping and corruption scenarios.Aden? -- what's the latest?Sumgong? -- busted. Not funny.Measurement errors? -- Often ridiculed but always a risk, without controls.

casual obsever wrote:

SkyRunner.at.Altitude11,033ft. wrote:

It has been a big party going on since 1991.

How much money is in their bank accounts?

Probably a lot, SkyRunner.at.Altitude11,033ft.. But our house troll will continue defending all cheats here, from Aden to Sumgong. Apparently he thinks that's funny.

Oh well. All of this is just a coincidence. Measurement errors, remember?

@rekrunner: please keep this up. Then these doper threads will never end.

According to data leaked to the Sunday Times, one in four winners of the the big six global marathons - London, Boston, Chicago, New York, Berlin and Tokyo - have recorded suspicious blood scores.

The athletes whose blood experts deemed suspicious collectively won more than £4 million in prize money from marathons including Chicago, London, New York and Boston.

From the London Marathon, the legitimacy of seven winners, six runners-up and seven third places has been called into question.

Russian runner Liliya Shobukhova, who won the marathon in 2010 and was runner-up in 2011, was stripped of her title this year and had her results since 2009 annulled.

It is claimed that she recorded "extreme blood scores" for NINE years before the authorities took action against her last year — and that marathon organisers were not told about the results.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/doping-crisis-london-marathon-winners-called-into-question-10447170.html

https://www.runnersworld.co.uk/news/2016-london-marathon-champion-jemima-sumgong-suspended-for-doping

Do you see a pattern developing?

SkyRunner.at.Altitude11,033ft. wrote:

More from Federico Rosa:

“There are doctors around Kenya who do such things (doping),” he said. “But rather than making a story, we try to clean up the sport. All our athletes had a big press conference in Eldoret after New York, old athletes and new. And never has there been any doping in our camp. At the end of the day we are 100% clean.”

Dry humour is always the best form.

That London Marathon is hazardous to your health, you start clean but by the end you have serious erythropoietin problems. There really needs to be a public health warning. I blame Richard Branson.

rekrunner wrote:

Kenyans and Ethiopians started winning world cross-country as early as 1981.

...

That's right; Craig Virgin was the first Kenyan winner.

rekrunner wrote:

Kenyans and Ethiopians started winning world cross-country as early as 1981.

I think you and the blood doctor can keep these threads alive perpetually with or without me. There are no facts that cannot be molded to fit doping and corruption scenarios.

Aden? -- what's the latest?

Sumgong? -- busted. Not funny.

Measurement errors? -- Often ridiculed but always a risk, without controls.

casual obsever wrote:

Probably a lot, SkyRunner.at.Altitude11,033ft.. But our house troll will continue defending all cheats here, from Aden to Sumgong. Apparently he thinks that's funny.

Oh well. All of this is just a coincidence. Measurement errors, remember?

@rekrunner: please keep this up. Then these doper threads will never end.

Who says that Kenyans and Ethiopians weren't also blood doping in 1981? 2nd in 1980 admitted to blood doping (and roids) and who was ahead of him. Finns, Italians, Iberians, Moroccans, who else in the 1980s?

I wonder if we ever see that Brazilian pole vaulter again?

Thorpedo? No never.

Dat Ross Tucker, he be sending it down, mudda funkster.

https://twitter.com/Scienceofsport/status/850238280897404930

Boom, oh no you didn't. Dat da baddy boy.

https://twitter.com/Scienceofsport/status/850240827142004736

Kapow! Dis is da icing on da cake, chocolat cake.

https://twitter.com/Scienceofsport/status/850246896635363335

Oh, dat magic man he be joining in da debate,

https://twitter.com/stevemagness/status/849738838050254850

Oh, no he didn't.