How much of running a 10.5 100m dash is genetic?

Kermit095 wrote:

I'm sure no one in their right mind would think a sub 10 100 is trainable without 99% of the required genetics. But what about a sub 11 100 or something between 10.5 to 10.3? How much of that is trainable? How close could you get by lifting weights, doing plyometrics, and sprinting as fast as you can and staying on a good diet to maximize muscle while keeping body fat low?

Being able to get there- ALL of it is genetics.

Actually getting there- all the genetics AND all the work.

Not matter how hard you work, if you don't have the genetics, you cannot be a world class sprinter.

In distance running, someone with lacking genetics can work their way to a high level.

African genes don't make you faster, or Nigerians wouldn't lose to mixed-heritage Americans. Mixed-heritage Van Niekerk wouldn't be the fastest South African.

Van Niekerk is the fastest South African over 400m, certainly over not over 100, or 200 m (Did you even read the OP question : How much of running a 10.5 100m dash is genetic ?)

The 400m is distance in which as far as I know, The US produced relatively recently a non black olympic champion...

Fatal Attraction wrote:

Not matter how hard you work, if you don't have the genetics, you cannot be a world class sprinter.

Correct.

In distance running, someone with lacking genetics can work their way to a high level.

False.

Hardly any freshman with a 14s PB is turning into a 10.5 sprinter, unless he had some kind of severe disability (fat for example). But please go ahead and post specifics coach, I want to believe. But technique is indeed crucial, not magic though.

testing for racing wrote:

There's already a predictive test for whether you have 10.5 100m ability. It's about 99% accurate. It goes like this:

Question 1: Are you a black male?

If the answer is yes, then it's possible. If not, then stick to world of warcraft where you belong.

Because Christophe Lemaitre is black as the ace of spades.

randompasserby wrote:

Distinctions should be made between various levels of sprinting ability. For instance, there is a world of difference between sub 10.8 and sub 10.5, not to mention sub 10.2. 'Talent' plays an increasing role at the faster end. Depending on how cynical (or perhaps, realistic) one is, as does doping. However, some times are held up to unreasonably high pedestals, such as sub-11. Usually, those who complain that sub-11 requires a rare genetic gift have not performed the proper combination of speedwork, plyometrics, and heavy weightlifting in an intelligently planned manner.

You can do any combination of training you want with an athlete with type 1 fibers and you will not make a 10.5 100 meter sprinter out of them.

It's really very simple.

I should say a majority of type 1 fibers.

It's like trying to take a sprinter with an abundance of FG fibers into a Marathoner.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand?

Master of Revels wrote:

testing for racing wrote:

There's already a predictive test for whether you have 10.5 100m ability. It's about 99% accurate. It goes like this:

Question 1: Are you a black male?

If the answer is yes, then it's possible. If not, then stick to world of warcraft where you belong.

Because Christophe Lemaitre is black as the ace of spades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophe_Lemaitre

That's why I said 99% and not 100% you idiot! Learn to read!

Talent > Hardwork. EOT.

If you do not understand the crucial role of genetics in determining performance, you know literally nothing else about physical training. It is the fundamental issue in athletic performance.

Read Carefully... wrote:

African genes don't make you faster, or Nigerians wouldn't lose to mixed-heritage Americans. Mixed-heritage Van Niekerk wouldn't be the fastest South African.

Van Niekerk is the fastest South African over 400m, certainly over not over 100, or 200 m (Did you even read the OP question : How much of running a 10.5 100m dash is genetic ?)

The 400m is distance in which as far as I know, The US produced relatively recently a non black olympic champion...

The "it's all genetic" idiots say the same about middle and long distance as they do about the 100m. They cherry pick studies to show black people have the typical build to succeed at each, even though those builds are radically different.

As I said before, Americans succeed at track because of the huge popularity of American football, a sport uniquely geared toward explosive sprint efforts of at most a few seconds, followed by long recovery. The rest of the world plays much more endurance-oriented sports like soccer and cricket.

Asdkufkjv wrote:

If you do not understand the crucial role of genetics in determining performance, you know literally nothing else about physical training. It is the fundamental issue in athletic performance.

Which genes, expert? Which specific genotypes, which athletes have them, and why they are better because of them.

hljnlinjkn wrote:

[quote]semen wrote:

genetics make up for 50-60% of ability for V02 max, it's higher for power and force output and muscle fiber composition.

That doesn't give some of us genetically challenged chumps much of a chance. Hard work can only go so far and PEDs could possibly bridge the gap...but that's against the rules. I guess there's always underwater basket weaving & checkers for us generically challenged.😄.

To Oi - Moron look POS

this is what Charlie Francis has thought of Johnson you fuc@king idiot:

"Their first meeting left Francis underwhelmed. ‘I can’t say that Ben bowled me over,’ wrote Francis in his book, Speed Trap. ‘At fifteen, he was at the ideal age to begin training, but he looked more like twelve: a skinny, awkward kid of 93 pounds… He looked slow, and he ran even slower than he looked. After a half-circuit around the track, he flopped down in the stands. I came over and asked him what was wrong, “F-foot weak, mon – gotta rest.”’

So that doper was running 11s at that time, a idiot?

So if you are so disabled that you can't make a calculations without calculator go and take it and found how some normal guy can improve when start running in age of 15 till 25 moron.

OP guy is not for sure a 11s guy how came here to ask for advice how to brake 10.5s, more likely he is 14 or 15s guy and yes he can came under 12s without ANY fuc@king problem if he is not moron like you are fac@king idiot.

Kermit095 wrote:

I'm sure no one in their right mind would think a sub 10 100 is trainable without 99% of the required genetics. But what about a sub 11 100 or something between 10.5 to 10.3? How much of that is trainable? How close could you get by lifting weights, doing plyometrics, and sprinting as fast as you can and staying on a good diet to maximize muscle while keeping body fat low?

The required genetics is Black.

Ask rojo or wejo or melmo.

OK???

Don't ask Jonathan Gault.

He will not know the answer.

He went to an Ivy League University.

He sounds like he has a foreign accent…an Ivy League accent…or he is retarded.

I seriously doubt even 1 young male human in 1000 has 10.50 full auto low altitude talent at their peak age. 10.50 is really fast. When I first started reading Track and Field News, 10.48 barely got a person at the bottom of the annual issue list of top 50 performers. Drop the requirement to legit 10.5 ht, 10.74 fat or therabouts, and it is still real tough.

The coach who posted training is important is correct. But think about it. Most colleges and universities with over 10K male students do not even have one 10.50 or better.

Fatal Attraction wrote:

In distance running, someone with lacking genetics can work their way to a high level.

Probably not true unless PEDs are involved.

CO Coach wrote:

They have a great youtube channel with a lot of videos, I highly recommend watching them if you are interested in sprinting:

https://www.youtube.com/user/LocomotorLabSMU

In particular this video summarizes everything I said up above. Learn your sprint drills and learn to run like a sprinter. Film yourself sprinting and continue to work towards the ideal and you will get faster:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3exj1tlEjaQ

Awesome resource. Thanks for the tip coach