RejectRunner wrote:
This is hilarious
How about an update from you? How is your training going, kid?
RejectRunner wrote:
This is hilarious
How about an update from you? How is your training going, kid?
Deadstream wrote:
Definitely better than the 3:53 mile.
Arguably as good as Carter's 81' as a "single day performance".
However...Carter's throw was a "fluke" relatively speaking. That one throw was substantially better than any other throw he ever had, albeit most of his other throws were all substantially better than anyone else at the time.
Duplantis just keeps consistently getting better and better every time he competes.
Another interesting point...this kids only in 11th grade.
Certainly one of the greatest H.S. performances ever, but certainly not the greatest. There is almost no way you can compare a 100m dash or mile performance to the pole vault. There is almost no exposure to the pole vault at the youth level and half of the high schools in America don't even have a qualified pole vault coach. Like I said, it is one of the greatest, but to compare it to an event half of track and field athletes participate in to an event probably less than 1% have ever even attempted is not possible.
Separate issue, Duplantis looks kind of small, Bubka, Hooker, Lavillenie and event Jeff Hartwig were all pretty big dudes; you need a certain amount of body weight to bend the big poles. Unless this kid continues to grow, I would assume he's going to level out sometime soon, albeit, he does need to jump much further to be a global championship medal contender.
TrackCoach wrote:
Deadstream wrote:Definitely better than the 3:53 mile.
Arguably as good as Carter's 81' as a "single day performance".
However...Carter's throw was a "fluke" relatively speaking. That one throw was substantially better than any other throw he ever had, albeit most of his other throws were all substantially better than anyone else at the time.
Duplantis just keeps consistently getting better and better every time he competes.
Another interesting point...this kids only in 11th grade.
Certainly one of the greatest H.S. performances ever, but certainly not the greatest. There is almost no way you can compare a 100m dash or mile performance to the pole vault. There is almost no exposure to the pole vault at the youth level and half of the high schools in America don't even have a qualified pole vault coach. Like I said, it is one of the greatest, but to compare it to an event half of track and field athletes participate in to an event probably less than 1% have ever even attempted is not possible.
Separate issue, Duplantis looks kind of small, Bubka, Hooker, Lavillenie and event Jeff Hartwig were all pretty big dudes; you need a certain amount of body weight to bend the big poles. Unless this kid continues to grow, I would assume he's going to level out sometime soon, albeit, he does need to jump much further to be a global championship medal contender.
not sure if this is right, but:
Renaud Lavillenie is a French pole vaulter. He is the current world record holder, with a height of 6.16 m set indoors on 15 February 2014. Lavillenie won gold medal at the 2012 Olympics in London and silver medal at the 2016 Olympics in Rio. Wikipedia
Born: September 18, 1986 (age 30 years), Barbezieux-Saint-Hilaire, France
Height: 5′ 9″
Weight: 132 lbs
Pre Classic is May 26-27. Louisiana state meet is May 6-7. I have no idea what other national HS events he may be doing, but the Louisiana state meet won't conflict with Pre.
Louisiana wrote:
Pre Classic is May 26-27. Louisiana state meet is May 6-7. I have no idea what other national HS events he may be doing, but the Louisiana state meet won't conflict with Pre.
Oooh thanks! I hadn't bothered to check dates yet :D
eric a blair wrote:
Justno wrote:No.
Rankings and lists are irrelevant when discussing performance in all time greatest terms.
Mcglaughlin was about 3.5% off WR in 400 hurdles.
High school boys sprint records are about 4% off.
.965 of Men's WR -6.17 is closer to 5.95.
So he has a ways to go before greatest performance ever category.
world records aren't the right measuring stick - too much weird one-off stuff going on.
better:
Do you think McLaughlin has a legit chance to medal in the 400H? I don't.
Do you think Mondo has a legit chance to medal in the PV? it's a long shot but I think he has a much better chance given his consistency.
(and the indoor PV record is 6.16, not 6.17)
And he will probably vault 6.17 in 5 years.
McLaughlin can make final, but probably not medal.
No medal for Mondo, but may finish fairly close if he is up to 5.90 by then.
I thought the same thing. I've always considered Ryun and Carter to be the best ever in hs. Maybe this PV kid is?
Dobedobedo wrote:
I thought the same thing. I've always considered Ryun and Carter to be the best ever in hs. Maybe this PV kid is?
Ryun was impressive, Carter wasn't drug tested. This whole thread is rubbish and narrow minded considering Kejelcha ran 7:36 @ 16 years. There is probably some Kenyan who has run 1:44/45. But I would agree that 5.82 would win an Olympic medal in the present so it is the best performance being discussed.
Very impressive
TrackCoach wrote:
[quote]Deadstream wrote:
Separate issue, Duplantis looks kind of small, Bubka, Hooker, Lavillenie and event Jeff Hartwig were all pretty big dudes; you need a certain amount of body weight to bend the big poles. Unless this kid continues to grow, I would assume he's going to level out sometime soon, albeit, he does need to jump much further to be a global championship medal contender.
You are right about height, but Duplantis has grown like a weed over the last 2 years and who is to say that he is done. He is right about 6' now. Another factor is speed and this kid is quick
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Dobedobedo wrote:I thought the same thing. I've always considered Ryun and Carter to be the best ever in hs. Maybe this PV kid is?
Ryun was impressive, Carter wasn't drug tested. This whole thread is rubbish and narrow minded considering Kejelcha ran 7:36 @ 16 years. There is probably some Kenyan who has run 1:44/45. But I would agree that 5.82 would win an Olympic medal in the present so it is the best performance being discussed.
In the US, it's Lindgren Won the olympic trials and beat the eventual olympic champion. Even Mills said he would have won in Tokyo if he had not sprained his ankle.
I would put Mondo on the Ryan Crouser level, where you know he will have a chance soon to medal or win the olympics just not yet.
Last point why is Mondo representing Sweden when he is clearly American?
nothing worse then living here, training here, get coaching here and what claiming mom's name to get a bonus or something ?
something is swedish fishy...
eric a blair wrote:
world records aren't the right measuring stick - too much weird one-off stuff going on.
all world records are one-offs. in your world world records have no meaning for best performance. ... okay ... sure thing ... whatever you say ... lol
jenapharm wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:[quote]Deadstream wrote:
Separate issue, Duplantis looks kind of small, Bubka, Hooker, Lavillenie and event Jeff Hartwig were all pretty big dudes; you need a certain amount of body weight to bend the big poles. Unless this kid continues to grow, I would assume he's going to level out sometime soon, albeit, he does need to jump much further to be a global championship medal contender.
You are right about height, but Duplantis has grown like a weed over the last 2 years and who is to say that he is done. He is right about 6' now. Another factor is speed and this kid is quick
Exactly.
In fact, I think that being skinny is good in the vault (you are fighting gravity, after all!) It is just that athletes tend to get more muscle as they get older. Bubka was not a huge guy...he was looked fairly thin when started winning world titles.
Also, is this the first time that someone has ever referred to Lavillenie as "pretty big"? I do have a theory that he has longer than average arms, but he is a very average sized guy. Small for an athlete, actually.
eric a blair wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:Certainly one of the greatest H.S. performances ever, but certainly not the greatest. There is almost no way you can compare a 100m dash or mile performance to the pole vault. There is almost no exposure to the pole vault at the youth level and half of the high schools in America don't even have a qualified pole vault coach. Like I said, it is one of the greatest, but to compare it to an event half of track and field athletes participate in to an event probably less than 1% have ever even attempted is not possible.
Separate issue, Duplantis looks kind of small, Bubka, Hooker, Lavillenie and event Jeff Hartwig were all pretty big dudes; you need a certain amount of body weight to bend the big poles. Unless this kid continues to grow, I would assume he's going to level out sometime soon, albeit, he does need to jump much further to be a global championship medal contender.
not sure if this is right, but:
Renaud Lavillenie is a French pole vaulter. He is the current world record holder, with a height of 6.16 m set indoors on 15 February 2014. Lavillenie won gold medal at the 2012 Olympics in London and silver medal at the 2016 Olympics in Rio. Wikipedia
Born: September 18, 1986 (age 30 years), Barbezieux-Saint-Hilaire, France
Height: 5′ 9″
Weight: 132 lbs
I agree Lavillenie is not large by T&F standards, but I would be very surprised if he is only 132 lbs.
According to the IAAF tables it's equivalent to a 3:49 mile or 1:43 800m. So yeah, very impressive.
asu guy wrote:
Last point why is Mondo representing Sweden when he is clearly American?
nothing worse then living here, training here, get coaching here and what claiming mom's name to get a bonus or something ?
something is swedish fishy...
He has dual citizenship and has already competed for Sweden in several international competitions including World Youth and World Juniors. His older brother also competed for Sweden.
Love it or hate it, It tends to be a much better career path than competing for Team USA.
TrackCoach wrote:
I agree Lavillenie is not large by T&F standards, but I would be very surprised if he is only 132 lbs.
I've met and stood next to Renaud multiple times. My wife weighs 135 and is 5-5. While Renaud is small, he is definitely taller than my wife with a similar build to her, so I would guess in the 155 to 160 range.
asu guy wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:Ryun was impressive, Carter wasn't drug tested. This whole thread is rubbish and narrow minded considering Kejelcha ran 7:36 @ 16 years. There is probably some Kenyan who has run 1:44/45. But I would agree that 5.82 would win an Olympic medal in the present so it is the best performance being discussed.
In the US, it's Lindgren Won the olympic trials and beat the eventual olympic champion. Even Mills said he would have won in Tokyo if he had not sprained his ankle.
You say stuff like that after you win. Doesn't mean it was true. Heck having him in the race might have just benefited Clarke.
It is hard to compare old timers with thier weak competition to the kids now a days who have to compete with high paid Pros. Pretty much all of the runners being mentioned were total stud performances.
Over on the Swedish website Letspolevault there is a lenghty thread about how foreigners are going across there and taking spots from Swedes who have worked hard to make their nation's team. Some are saying they need to build a wall around Sweden to keep foreign vaulters out.