It's not better than 3:47 which as you should very well know after so long on LR is the DVTT(tm) for the HS mile.
It's not better than 3:47 which as you should very well know after so long on LR is the DVTT(tm) for the HS mile.
Moe's Tavern has been saying for years.
asdaf wrote:
Duplantis's development has been phenomenal all along the way. This was foreseen years ago. The only questions were whether he'd do the right thing and compete for the United States, instead of Sweden, and eventually break the world record or stall out below 20'.
Bsc wrote:
Is it better than Carter is my question.
Well, it's hard to compare between events, and HS boys throwing implements are especially hard to compare since you can't make a direct comparison with the elites.
But what I can say, is there is no other high school athlete in history who can compare to Mondo's overall performances, just this indoor season alone.
He has jumped 5.70+ in his last 4 meets. That's... mind blowing...
He also recently cleared a 5.50 (18') crossbar in practice in 10/11 tries in 30 minutes. That's also mind blowing.
To put it in perspective, his 5.82 is the 7th best mark in the world this year (and only 4cm off #2 best). Of the 6 guys ahead of him, only the world leader, Lisek, has jumped 5.70+ for 4 meets in a row.
Granted some of them (like Kendricks) had a short season, but last year (a WIC year), 5.82 still would have been 7th best mark in the world, and the only guys ahead of him who jumped 5.70+ in 4+ meets in a row indoors were Lavillenie, Kendricks, and Barber.
I wish you guys would make a new thread about that road race... let me enjoy the rare pole vault moment here! :)
No one would fall back to the ground in slow motion like that.
Jayordon wrote:
Idk man. That would still make her and the other girl professional records. Google searches would bring up info about them but there's really nothing on there about them. If the kid was just starting his running career then he wouldn't be running that fast. Especially at altitude and a road race rather than a track. Not to mention that then next person behind him was almost a minute behind so he had no competition. What do you normally run?
You can find her if you are looking.
She is British. She generally runs 10K and Halfs. Her 10K PR is listed as 32:48, her Half is listed at 78:07, and her 5K PR is listed as 16:41. So either she just PRed by two minutes, or the course is ridiculously short.
And as for OP's question. Yeah, I would probably put this down as the best U.S. High School performance ever. HS record, World Junior record, and second in the world currently. And looking it up, there have only been 362 vaults better than than 5.87 EVER. Not vaulters, VAULTS. That mark has only been bested 362 times ever.
That same 362 mark? 3:31.60 (run by both Ngeny and Morceli, actually) in the 1500m. 3:51.62 in the mile, 13:00.36 in the 5k...Michael Carter's SP mark (for the full size shot) is a full meter behind the #362 mark, and doesn't crack the top 2000 marks all time.
Was carter one of the top three shot putters in the world at the time? Not high school, but out of all adult pro's as well. No. Not by a long shot. I think it answers your question..
Oops, I looked up 5.87, not 5.81....That is #716.....which is only SLIGHTLY better than Alan Webb's 3:53, which sits at #748.
Definitely better than the 3:53 mile.
Arguably as good as Carter's 81' as a "single day performance".
However...Carter's throw was a "fluke" relatively speaking. That one throw was substantially better than any other throw he ever had, albeit most of his other throws were all substantially better than anyone else at the time.
Duplantis just keeps consistently getting better and better every time he competes.
Another interesting point...this kids only in 11th grade.
M.C. Confusing wrote:
She is British. She generally runs 10K and Halfs. Her 10K PR is listed as 32:48, her Half is listed at 78:07, and her 5K PR is listed as 16:41. So either she just PRed by two minutes, or the course is ridiculously short.
32:48 is much better than 16:41, more like 15:54. Maybe training for the 5k helped her to chop off more time.
And maybe she's been training with that kid.
Also....no 14 year old kid went 13:57 @ 5k. That just flat out didn't happen. Stop being silly.
No.
Rankings and lists are irrelevant when discussing performance in all time greatest terms.
Mcglaughlin was about 3.5% off WR in 400 hurdles.
High school boys sprint records are about 4% off.
.965 of Men's WR -6.17 is closer to 5.95.
So he has a ways to go before greatest performance ever category.
Justno wrote:
No.
Rankings and lists are irrelevant when discussing performance in all time greatest terms.
Mcglaughlin was about 3.5% off WR in 400 hurdles.
High school boys sprint records are about 4% off.
.965 of Men's WR -6.17 is closer to 5.95.
So he has a ways to go before greatest performance ever category.
world records aren't the right measuring stick - too much weird one-off stuff going on.
better:
Do you think McLaughlin has a legit chance to medal in the 400H? I don't.
Do you think Mondo has a legit chance to medal in the PV? it's a long shot but I think he has a much better chance given his consistency.
(and the indoor PV record is 6.16, not 6.17)
Hold your horses wrote:
32:48 is much better than 16:41
This guy knows math
M.C. Confusing wrote:
Oops, I looked up 5.87, not 5.81....That is #716.....which is only SLIGHTLY better than Alan Webb's 3:53, which sits at #748.
What number was Webb's 3:53 at the time when he ran it? That would be a more fair comparison.
I think we can all agree duplantis' jump was the best ever for a junior or younger, though, right?
The best ever for high school I agree can be debatable. I lean towards yes, but understand arguments for others.
Discounting Carter because he doesn't compare well with the top senior athletes at the time is a bit unfair, given the nature of the event. In the shot put, it takes years to put on the muscle and size to dominate. Those years don't begin until puberty.
In pole vault, duplantis only needed puberty to help him get faster. What you need years of work on is the technique, which he was able to work on since he was about 5 years old. So in some ways, he has had much longer relevant training than Carter.
Deadstream wrote:
Also....no 14 year old kid went 13:57 @ 5k. That just flat out didn't happen. Stop being silly.
Especially at 6,000 ft. Lol.
will he jump 6m in high school? He's at 19'1" now, just over half a foot to go. I think he'll do it if he's just a junior now.
eric a blair wrote:
Do you think Mondo has a legit chance to medal in the PV? it's a long shot but I think he has a much better chance given his consistency.
I do... assuming he stays healthy, with the heights he is jumping consistently, he should easily make the finals at Worlds.
If everyone is jumping their best, he won't medal. I can't see him jumping 6 meters this year and there are at least 4-5 guys in the world this year who can, with more who can jump 5.90+.
But you never get everyone jumping their best in the same meet in the pole vault. Mondo's consistency has been superb.
So if a few guys are off their game, he definitely has a legitimate shot to sneak in there for a medal.
Also, guys and girls tend to be apples and oranges when comparing to elites because of their physiological development...
I'm really hoping that Mondo will somehow end up jumping at Pre, it would be great to see how he does head to head with the elites. I'm guessing that probably conflicts with his high school championship season though.
Laura Graham is Irish and only started running 2 years ago. Her progression has been phenomenonal from a 3:19 first marathon in 2015 to a 2:41 last November to record a WC Q time but there is no way she ran 14:45 at altitude.
eric a blair wrote:
macdaddy wrote:I wish I knew/cared more about the PV so I could truly comprehend and appreciate what this mark means.
it's in the hunt for a medal at any OG or WC. Certainly a finalist.
would have been #2 indoors for all Americans
world junior record. Think about that in terms of running - the world junior record in the 1500 is 3:28
It would have been the WR in 1983.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_pole_vault_world_record_progressionEvolving wrote:
The girl who won isn't American, I believe she was British, also, the girl who was in second also was not American. Lastly that 14 year old kid, did in fact run that quick whether you believe me or not, I was there. He probably doesn't have an Athlinks because the kid is just starting his Career. I really dunno, all I know is i saw a little Blonde hair kid runf aster than anyone i've ever seen run a 5k and i looked it up when i got home, he beat me by around 3 minsand I was running mid 16.
World class times run at a local race, at altitude by athletes most of have never heard of. It only took me 5 minutes to realize something is wrong with the course or the timing; I am going to assume you are joking, easily mislead or else, stupid.