New NOP report- Rupp/Centro Suspicious Blood test. + Nike interfering with USADA

T3/T4/TSH wrote:

Different screen name; but same reply to you: go read the rules. Please stop hijacking the thread.

Sorry, I didn't write the other post.

I work in medical compliance. I know the rules. Why don't you give us your medical license number and we can ask your board if they agree with our assessment

medical ethics much wrote:

T3/T4/TSH wrote:

Different screen name; but same reply to you: go read the rules. Please stop hijacking the thread.

Sorry, I didn't write the other post.

I work in medical compliance. I know the rules. Why don't you give us your medical license number and we can ask your board if they agree with our assessment

Then you know that the rule is that he isn't allowed to reveal the patient's identity, not that he can't tell a story about a patent sans any identifying information.

Oh Boy Alberto! wrote:

Slow tactical races are common in championships, but 50.x last 400s are not. Centro had an exceptional finish, even by all-time historical standards.

Fermin Cacho went 50.6 in Barcelona and won in 3:40.

evidence of need wrote:

medical ethics much wrote:

Sorry, I didn't write the other post.

I work in medical compliance. I know the rules. Why don't you give us your medical license number and we can ask your board if they agree with our assessment

Then you know that the rule is that he isn't allowed to reveal the patient's identity, not that he can't tell a story about a patent sans any identifying information.

He gave plenty of identifying info. Doesn't take a rocket science to put the pieces together.

Furthermore, commenting on people's private medical information that is leaked via the press shows a serious lack of medical ethics.

Like I said. If you believe there is no HIPAA violation give us your medical license number so we can reach out to your board for their opinion

medical ethics much wrote:

I work in medical compliance. I know the rules.

LOL ... only a fool claims they "know the rules." There are too many rules for any one person to be an expert at all to them. You do not live on a medical compliance island by yourself.

medical ethics much wrote:

Like I said. If you believe there is no HIPAA violation give us your medical license number so we can reach out to your board for their opinion

The person making the demand needs to provide the information first.

Now provide YOUR medical license number so WE can determine how expert you really are.

I am Doctor Jeffrey S. Brown, M.D., F.A.C.E., of Houston.

Just settle down, boys. We're diluting the meat of this thread. Let's stay on the task at hand- ie the dangers of non-essential thyroid replacement and ped's. I'm also curious regarding the Centro comment. Anyone out there well versed enough in blood physiology care to comment on how much the reticulocyte count can vary with stress/travel/altitude? It would be interesting to see how the "suspicious" value compared to those checked before and those checked after. Hct can vary significantly with acute changes in volume status, electrolyte disturbances, etc; but hgb is a whole different animal. Anyone out there willing to share their knowledge on reticulocyte count and related variables causing high or low counts as related to what a pro runner might experience?

medical compliance wrote:

medical ethics much wrote:

Like I said. If you believe there is no HIPAA violation give us your medical license number so we can reach out to your board for their opinion

The person making the demand needs to provide the information first.

Now provide YOUR medical license number so WE can determine how expert you really are.

Sorry, I work in compliance, never claimed to be a doctor

But if you really are a doctor as you and/or the person you are defending claims to be you need to start acting like one and respect the privacy and sanctity of a patient's medical records, whether or not you treat the patient.

Your comments concerning anyone's medical records on a public forum shows a serious lack of medical ethics

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

evidence of need wrote:

You could apply the same logic to a sprinter getting treatment for a pulled hamstring.

A pulled hamstring is a legitimate injury. Thyroid meds is not an injury.

I concur.

Let's think about this wrote:

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

A pulled hamstring is a legitimate injury. Thyroid meds is not an injury.

I concur.

Both are things that happen because you've pushed your body beyond its limits. Treating either medically is intended to allow you to continue training while working beyond your natural limits.

Also, I did not say that a thyroid med is an injury. What would that even mean?

evidence of need wrote:

Also, I did not say that a thyroid med is an injury. What would that even mean?

I didn't say thyroid meds was an injury either. You were the one that equated an injury with PEDs.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

evidence of need wrote:

Also, I did not say that a thyroid med is an injury. What would that even mean?

I didn't say thyroid meds was an injury either. You were the one that equated an injury with PEDs.

No. I equated treatment of a thyroid condition with treatment of a structural injury. I did not equate treatment of a thyroid condition with the injury itself. Again, what would that even mean?

evidence of need wrote:

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

I didn't say thyroid meds was an injury either. You were the one that equated an injury with PEDs.

No. I equated treatment of a thyroid condition with treatment of a structural injury. I did not equate treatment of a thyroid condition with the injury itself. Again, what would that even mean?

Runner's cough. Red throat caused by severe over training. A structural injury ... self-inflicted

evidence of need wrote:

Let's think about this wrote:

I concur.

Both are things that happen because you've pushed your body beyond its limits. Treating either medically is intended to allow you to continue training while working beyond your natural limits.

Also, I did not say that a thyroid med is an injury. What would that even mean?

The difference between treating a hamstring injury and treating a thyroid problem is the hamstring injury happened due to a structural force vs the thyroid problem was caused by an intentional training regimen, no? Or did the athletes have prior thyroid problem before they started their intense training? If not then wouldn't most athletes who trained intensely would have the same problem requiring thyroid meds? I'm just a curious.

evidence of need wrote:

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

I didn't say thyroid meds was an injury either. You were the one that equated an injury with PEDs.

No. I equated treatment of a thyroid condition with treatment of a structural injury.

Sigh... One is an injury, the other a PED.

Give up already. NOP is running a great PED program.

Doesn't seem like it matters much when they all run for Nike.

evidence of need wrote:

the fact that thyroid hormones aren't a "more is better" kind of thing make me reluctant to call them PEDs.

That could not possibly be used as a criterion. There is not a single product that is "more is better".