Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Sally Rigged the Trumper wrote:

Colluding wrote:

They babble on to divert from Giuliani traveling to Urkaine to request that they spy on Trump's enemies, starting with really scary Joe Biden. That is called criminal collusion, and committing treason.

Trump doesn't know anything about that. He is innocent. No collusion. Game over. Neener, neener.

Yup. The Trumpettes are completely ignoring Trump spying on competitor's campaigns, and openly conspiring for a foreign government to steal another election.

Flagpole wrote:

Quinn wrote:

What a quandary.

If Flagpole says he lied to his kids or perpetuated the lie then he can no longer say he never lies.

OTOH, if he says he didn’t lie to them, he portrays himself as a horrible parent who denied his children one of the true joys of childhood.

My guess is he lies about whatever his answer is.

I never told my kids that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy were real. All three are fictional characters, and to say "the toothy fairy will give you money for your tooth" is not a lie. We (the parents) played the role of the Tooth Fairy.

You’re either lying or had a poor relationship with your kids.

I really hope for your kids it is the former.

Flagpole wrote:

Quinn wrote:

What a quandary.

If Flagpole says he lied to his kids or perpetuated the lie then he can no longer say he never lies.

OTOH, if he says he didn’t lie to them, he portrays himself as a horrible parent who denied his children one of the true joys of childhood.

My guess is he lies about whatever his answer is.

I never told my kids that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy were real. All three are fictional characters, and to say "the toothy fairy will give you money for your tooth" is not a lie. We (the parents) played the role of the Tooth Fairy.

Never told them anything about those or any other fictional characters like them?

They never asked you how Santa got into the house or how he was able to deliver all the presents in one night. Never asked similar questions about tooth fairy or Easter Bunny, etc. Really?

I must be on the naughty list. Instead of a lump of coal I got trump for Christmas. Santa Claus ?, you’re a dead man!

the Eskimo wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

I never told my kids that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy were real. All three are fictional characters, and to say "the toothy fairy will give you money for your tooth" is not a lie. We (the parents) played the role of the Tooth Fairy.

You’re either lying or had a poor relationship with your kids.

I really hope for your kids it is the former.

What a bunch of nonsense. Lying to your kids about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy is not doing them any favors. It is only setting them up to see you as a liar once they discover the truth. What a great idea!

I have always told all of my kids the truth about these fictional characters. They still get overwhelmingly excited about Christmas and Easter and somewhat excited about getting money under their pillow for their lost teeth. There is no need for the lies to make holidays exciting for kids. Sorry if you are unaware of that fact.

Fat hurts wrote:

You completely discount both faith and free will.

I don't think s/he does. If you don't find something believable, you're not going to believe it. That almost seems like a tautology.

I know some people debate whether there's such a thing as free will, but even with it you're not going to be able to >>choose

Well that got cut off somehow. Here's the rest:

. . . to believe something that you find unbelievable. Not believe it sincerely, anyway.

kkll wrote:

Well that got cut off somehow. Here's the rest:

. . . to believe something that you find unbelievable. Not believe it sincerely, anyway.

There is no such thing as believing something insincerely so let's just get that out of the way to start with. Someone who does not believe something sincerely does not believe it - they may pretend they do, wish they did . . . but they do not.

Still, the larger point is not as cut and dried as some make it out to be. It is true that one cannot simply decide to believe something. For instance, I cannot simply decide that I believe that 2 + 3 = 7. And even on more complex issues (such as belief in God), one cannot simply choose to believe. "Today, I've decided that I believe in God." The whole notion is obviously wrong. HOWEVER . . .

However, people can and do choose to believe things in a more indirect way. This is true of most people and perhaps all people. A good example is someone who decides to follow the Christian faith. Now, initially they may have significant doubts and might be better described as wannabe believers rather than believers. But being on that wannabe path often leads one to make decisions about what to do, who to hang out with, what to read, what to watch . . . And often those decisions put one on a path wherein they are relatively insulated from doubt-inducing material/opinions/facts and inundated with faith-reinforcing material/opinions/facts to such an extent that eventually they truly believe what they once wanted to believe. That is, they indirectly decided to believe.

Of course, it is not just Christians who do this. Practically everybody does this on matters large and small. The Trumpettes do this all the time. They feel a certain way, are annoyed by various aspects of our society, and choose to migrate to Fox, Breitbart, etc. Within this self-reinforcing bubble they gradually come to believe what may have once seemed preposterous to them (and does seem preposterous to liberals). The exact same thing can be said of liberals.

So, I would rate the statement, "You can not decide what to believe" as only somewhat true. Over time, most people decide what they wish to believe and even succeed in convincing themselves of the truthiness of what they want to be true on a great number of things.

Fat hurts wrote:

Racket wrote:

Fat hurts :

Also Fat hurts :

One of these things is not like the other.

Very poor logic Racket.

One of my favorite novelists is Douglas Adams. I don't have to buy into his atheism to be a fan.

I'm not sure Kierkegaard would agree that there can be meaning apart from God. It's been a very long time since I studied him as well. But at the time he was one of my favorites. Feel free to elucidate further if you disagree.

Don't really care to debate it any further to be honest

the Eskimo wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

I never told my kids that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy were real. All three are fictional characters, and to say "the toothy fairy will give you money for your tooth" is not a lie. We (the parents) played the role of the Tooth Fairy.

You’re either lying or had a poor relationship with your kids.

I really hope for your kids it is the former.

Weird assumption. "Go to bed so Santa Claus can bring the presents." Well, my wife and I were Santa Claus, so that was true. Most parents don't tell a kid that Santa is a real man who actually lives in the North Pole...they just assume.

Racket wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Very poor logic Racket.

One of my favorite novelists is Douglas Adams. I don't have to buy into his atheism to be a fan.

I'm not sure Kierkegaard would agree that there can be meaning apart from God. It's been a very long time since I studied him as well. But at the time he was one of my favorites. Feel free to elucidate further if you disagree.

Don't really care to debate it any further to be honest

You were the one who chose to advanced the topic by chiming in.

I see we're arguing on fundamental epistemology now. Interesting past few days for this thread

Advanced wrote:

Racket wrote:

Don't really care to debate it any further to be honest

You were the one who chose to advanced the topic by chiming in.

Yeah and now choosing to not advance it anymore. Got anything else you wanna add or are you good over there in the peanut gallery?

Flagpole wrote:

the Eskimo wrote:

You’re either lying or had a poor relationship with your kids.

I really hope for your kids it is the former.

Weird assumption. "Go to bed so Santa Claus can bring the presents." Well, my wife and I were Santa Claus, so that was true. Most parents don't tell a kid that Santa is a real man who actually lives in the North Pole...they just assume.

Strange. Your kids never asked one question about any of these characters. I assume you were absent during the early years or there was not a lot of communication with the children.

So, your 3 yo comes to you and asks where Santa Claus lives and you say in our house. Your mother and I are Santa Claus.

Interesting.

Of course, I’m assuming you had kids.

P wrote:

the Eskimo wrote:

You’re either lying or had a poor relationship with your kids.

I really hope for your kids it is the former.

What a bunch of nonsense. Lying to your kids about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy is not doing them any favors. It is only setting them up to see you as a liar once they discover the truth. What a great idea!

I have always told all of my kids the truth about these fictional characters. They still get overwhelmingly excited about Christmas and Easter and somewhat excited about getting money under their pillow for their lost teeth. There is no need for the lies to make holidays exciting for kids. Sorry if you are unaware of that fact.

I don’t doubt that.

We can all tell from your anger-driven posts here that you are father of the year material.

You can nominate trump for father of the year, ha ha. Trolls for trump 2020!

Flagpole wrote:

I would rather keep my integrity and tell the truth than put up a fake front so that you or anyone else might like me.

Flagpole wrote:

Integrity CALLS for the truth to be told even when that truth is not pretty.

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Flagpole must be quite the charmer at dinner parties.

Wife: "Do you like this dress. I think I'll wear it to the party. I think it looks really good on me."

FP: "It looks like it was made out of curtains and you look like a fat hobo in it. I have 100% integrity 100% of the time, so I tell the truth even when it is not pretty. I am not lying and I NEVER lie."

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Host: "Flagpole, how did you like the filet? "

FP: "It was over-cooked, dry and I told you I wanted it medium rare. This is medium. I'm not going to put on a fake front so you will like me. 100% integrity 100% of the time."

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Host: "Flagpole, we just had the kitchen remodeled. "

FP: "What a waste of money. You should have invested it in Fidelity and you would be wealthy like me. This countertop pattern looks like a pig sh!t all over it too. By the way, your wife is a gold digging whore. I'm sure that she is a good wife and mother, but it doesn't change the fact that she is a gold digging whore. Don't deny that they exist. My 100% integrity 100% of the times CALLS for the truth to be told even when that truth is not pretty."

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Guess who's coming to dinner wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

I would rather keep my integrity and tell the truth than put up a fake front so that you or anyone else might like me.

Flagpole wrote:

Integrity CALLS for the truth to be told even when that truth is not pretty.

Flagpole must be quite the charmer at dinner parties.

Wife: "Do you like this dress. I think I'll wear it to the party. I think it looks really good on me."

FP: "It looks like it was made out of curtains and you look like a fat hobo in it. I have 100% integrity 100% of the time, so I tell the truth even when it is not pretty. I am not lying and I NEVER lie."

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Host: "Flagpole, how did you like the filet? "

FP: "It was over-cooked, dry and I told you I wanted it medium rare. This is medium. I'm not going to put on a fake front so you will like me. 100% integrity 100% of the time."

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Host: "Flagpole, we just had the kitchen remodeled. "

FP: "What a waste of money. You should have invested it in Fidelity and you would be wealthy like me. This countertop pattern looks like a pig sh!t all over it too. By the way, your wife is a gold digging whore. I'm sure that she is a good wife and mother, but it doesn't change the fact that she is a gold digging whore. Don't deny that they exist. My 100% integrity 100% of the times CALLS for the truth to be told even when that truth is not pretty."

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I doubt Flagpole gets invited to many dinner parties (at least not invited more than once).