Reaction to Steve Martin's Tweet about Carrie Fisher is why Trump won

Loper wrote:

Vivalarepublica wrote:

The only way you would have evidence for that statement is if you or someone interviewed all those that voiced offense at the tweet. Which would be a gigantic waste of time and somewhat creepy, because you really should have more to do with your time. In reality, you make such a claim because it fits your narrative, rather than actually examine the available evidence.

No...I know this. If you wanted to to assert that I qualified my statement so much as to render it virtually meaningless, I would concede that, but my statement is a FACT. Read it again and educate yourself.

You are an interesting case.

Stupid conservatives wrote:

Actually, Trump won because stupid conservatives believed all the shameless crap and lies he told. It has been documented that 7 out of 10 things Trump said were lies. Liberals were smart enough to notice this (is one reason why Clinton won by 3 million votes).

That is false. Trump's main campaign points were far more accurate and true than Hillary and Bernie's. Liberals were not "smart enough" to notice that documentation. Instead, liberals were gullible enough to believe such documentation. Groups like Factcheck.org are not credible sources of truth, facts, and unbiased evaluations. But liberals consider them anyway because they support liberal's opinions.

A long-winded sarcastic illustration of how liberals are not left-wing. The American left was drowned in ID politics decades ago, very deliberately, by the anti-socialist Democrats. Republicans prefer them as an opponent because they keep the real socialists out. Just as Clinton propped up Trump, so the GOP props up the liberals as the "left." It is parroted everywhere ad nauseam, including this forum, by long-indoctrinated fools who don't realize they're reinforcing that paradigm and empowering them.

With automation, socialism is inevitable because there's no work left to do. Everyone will get a silver spoon. Until the machines rebel and take over, that is.

Just treat people the way you want to e treated yourself.

Oh for crying out loud wrote:

Just treat people the way you want to e treated yourself.

Exactly how is relevant?

KH wrote:

Agree on this. If A+B=C and B+A =C, then who cares if "looks" comes before "smart" or vice versa. Both makes for the complete package.

Fuzzy math for the SJW!

The problem is that SJW"s would prefer that

B = C period, and leave A out of it (attractiveness).

Further, attractiveness and the acknowledgement of it, especially by males, is misogynistic and should be shamed out of existence.

Biology doesn't matter anymore either as we should be encouraged to disavow our own anatomy and choose our gender identity and force this on everybody else in a public restroom.

The SJW absurdity on US campuses threatens all tenets of free speech and thinking.

The Socratic process has been supplanted with the idea that feelings are the most important component of an education and any intrusion on someone's feelings is akin to assault. Academic subjects shall be cleansed of offense. U.S. history is not offered as a course anymore.

Reasonable people need to assert themselves more during these times or else expect the pendulum swings which allow for a Trump to seem the reasonable answer to the SJW bs.

The O.P. is not far off the mark with his assertion.

Steve Martin is NOT a misogynist!

Pwelch wrote:

Oh for crying out loud wrote:

Just treat people the way you want to e treated yourself.

Exactly how is relevant?

It's always relevant in our every day lives.

Loper wrote:

Creature? wrote:

The word "creature" to me is the issue, not "beautiful". At least he didn't call her a beautiful thing.

Why is creature an issue for you?

It is sometimes a term of endearment.

There was no insult intended, and that should count for something.

To the liberal mind, the intention of the speaker does not matter. The liberal mind believes that words and language create reality.

Most reasonable conservative people think there is an external reality that exists outside of their own mind, and that their thoughts are a rough attempt to reflect this external reality. As a result, their words/language is just a tool they use to reflect their thoughts, which are reflection of external reality. So to reasonable conservatives, deciphering the speakers intentions is the goal of communication. Then once you understand the speakers intentions and thoughts, you can judge whether their intentions are just and if their thoughts correlate well to reality. To the liberal thinker, it is impossible for the mind to know or reflect external reality, and so the thoughts and language of the speaker do not reflect reality, but instead create it. As a result, the intentions of the speaker do not matter, what matters is the shared reality created by the communication between the speaker and listener. The intentions of the speaker do not matter as much as the impressions of the listener. So if the liberal wants to shape reality to their ideals, they must control language. This is why politically correct talk is so valued to the liberal mind. They think that if everyone talks in a politically correct way, then we will find ourselves living in a perfectly fair culture/reality. This is also why liberal thinking has such a hard time understanding conservative ideas...because they aren't even attempting to do so.

Not every person who holds liberal opinions would explicitly agree with the view of reality/language that I have ascribed to them. You can hold liberal or conservative views on different issues based on the particular situation. But the liberal impulse to enforce political correctness is based on this view of reality. The ivory tower liberals in colleges and in the media, that are pushing for more political correctness, would agree whole heartedly with the view of language and reality that I have ascribed to them.

Stupid conservatives wrote:

Actually, Trump won because stupid conservatives believed all the shameless crap and lies he told. It has been documented that 7 out of 10 things Trump said were lies. Liberals were smart enough to notice this (is one reason why Clinton won by 3 million votes).

Fact check time:

Clinton won by 2.9 million NOT 3 million. Now we have documented proof that 1 out of 1 things you have posted on this board is a lie. Conservatives will be smart enough to notice this.

Serious Answer wrote:

Steve Martin cannot call a pretty girl "pretty" without getting hassled by the court of public opinion.

He can still say it. It's freedom of speech, not freedom of reaction to your speech.

You claim the left is catering to nut-jobs and use Hannity and Fox News as a source. Awesome!

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BlahBlahBlah2.0 wrote:

You claim the left is catering to nut-jobs and use Hannity and Fox News as a source. Awesome!

You clearly didn't watch the video. If you had, you would concede my point.

I don't even like Hannity but, apart from his mischaracterization / smear job of the Alt-right, he was bang on the money!

If trump won because of this then the country is effed up. trump cannot solve this nor change anything.

And women asking to be judged on performance and not looks is nothing new. It has been going on since the 1920s and the women's suffrage movement.

If you have daughters you should support this. I understand that in hollywood, looks open doors. But this society should create a culture where girls and women are judged on performance. This is important especially for young girls.

I am happy to see that everyone focused on Mariah carey's performance on new years day not what she looked like.

Joplas wrote:

If trump won because of this then the country is effed up. trump cannot solve this nor change anything.

And women asking to be judged on performance and not looks is nothing new. It has been going on since the 1920s and the women's suffrage movement.

If you have daughters you should support this. I understand that in hollywood, looks open doors. But this society should create a culture where girls and women are judged on performance. This is important especially for young girls.

I am happy to see that everyone focused on Mariah carey's performance on new years day not what she looked like.

The 1920s were not the beginning of women not wanting to be judged on looks rather than performance. However, Steve Martin's tweet had nothing to do with that. Plus, many women are always screaming that they don't want to be judged on looks yet they pay an inordinate amount of attention to how they look.

Joplas wrote:

If trump won because of this then the country is effed up. trump cannot solve this nor change anything.

And women asking to be judged on performance and not looks is nothing new. It has been going on since the 1920s and the women's suffrage movement.

If you have daughters you should support this. I understand that in hollywood, looks open doors. But this society should create a culture where girls and women are judged on performance. This is important especially for young girls.

I am happy to see that everyone focused on Mariah carey's performance on new years day not what she looked like.

First... the only thing of Mariah's that anyone was focused on was her boobs.

Second... Being judged on appearance happens to men just like women.

If you are in an industry where your looks matter at all, live with it.