jamintrump wrote:
+ max wage for doctors of $50K/yr
How about Max wage for insurance executive of $50k.
jamintrump wrote:
+ max wage for doctors of $50K/yr
How about Max wage for insurance executive of $50k.
Are the majority of Americans better off or worse off right now with this law?
Or not much affected
There are a large amount of people that have coverage that couldn't before.
There are a good amount of people that have cheaper options now.
There are a considerable amount of people in a very similar situation than before.
There are a number of people that have higher costs.
Is all part of the master plan that ends with only poor people being covered by "free" insurance while those who work are made poorer by being forced to pay for the layabouts' insurance.
37% increases for the silver plan in some states!
Clit McTorius wrote:
37% increases for the silver plan in some states!
So, Clit, what percent is the entire nation is subject to that 37% increase?
L L wrote:
Clit McTorius wrote:37% increases for the silver plan in some states!
So, Clit, what percent is the entire nation is subject to that 37% increase?
Even if it is a small percentage, who cares? The people who are small business owners/self employed and are actually successful enough to not qualify for a subsidy are getting slammed. How is that fair?
Not to mention, why would anyone start a new business today when they will get nailed by healthcare premiums, while deadbeats get it for free? Innovation and new ideas are what made this country great. Obamacare stifles that concept.
NONE of this is a surprise. All of this was predicted by anyone with common sense when this monstrosity was crammed through by the Democrats.
way too much wrote:
Even if it is a small percentage, who cares? The people who are small business owners/self employed and are actually successful enough to not qualify for a subsidy are getting slammed. How is that fair?
Not to mention, why would anyone start a new business today when they will get nailed by healthcare premiums, while deadbeats get it for free? Innovation and new ideas are what made this country great. Obamacare stifles that concept.
NONE of this is a surprise. All of this was predicted by anyone with common sense when this monstrosity was crammed through by the Democrats.
Maybe it's just my friends, but I have several friends that own small businesses and they are all doing great. Expanding, hiring. Do you have any statistics that show small business growth slowing after Obamacare?
way too much wrote:
Even if it is a small percentage, who cares?
Well, if 1% of the entire nation had costs go up and 10% of the nation had their lives improved, then it it would be a huge net positive.
There is no plan that improves 100% of the people.
Granted, I am throwing up made-up numbers.
So show me how many people have higher costs vs. how many people improved.
We should have:
-repealed the tax punishments on income not spent on health insurance purchased through an employer
-repealed insurance regulations requiring insurance policies to cover certain things like mental health care
-abolished the FDA or at least reformed the regulatory process to make it faster and less expensive to overcome.
-abolished professional licensing for doctors, physical therapists, etc.
-repealed EMTALA.
-initiated a long-term plan to phase out Medicare and Medicaid
Until we are willing to entertain radical steps like the above, it's straight downhill and into a dark age of healthcare.
Health insurance purchased through an employer is tax deductible while an individually purchased policy is not.
This means we are subsiding the rich who work at better employers who provide health insurance at the expense of the poor who don't get health insurance through their employer and have to buy their own policy.
Fact sayer wrote:
We should have:
-repealed the tax punishments on income not spent on health insurance purchased through an employer
-repealed insurance regulations requiring insurance policies to cover certain things like mental health care
-abolished the FDA or at least reformed the regulatory process to make it faster and less expensive to overcome.
-abolished professional licensing for doctors, physical therapists, etc.
-repealed EMTALA.
-initiated a long-term plan to phase out Medicare and Medicaid
Until we are willing to entertain radical steps like the above, it's straight downhill and into a dark age of healthcare.
Sounds like Somalia's healthcare system.
driven before wrote:
Sounds like Somalia's healthcare system.
Somalia is a collapsed socialist state. It provides us with a clear picture of this country's future since we are headed rapidly down the same path taken by Somalia.
Pence/Rice 2016 wrote:
Free market is probably the best answer... but are we ok with letting the uninsured just die off?
When are you morans going to admit that Obamacare isn't the vision Obama had in the first place? It was run through the finest of strainers - the republican congress - and what we have now is a mess that barely resembles Obama's vision because the republicans didn't want to admit that the initial proposal was better than any idea they had.
In short, the price increases are due to poor planning from republicans, not Obama.
Future hobbyjogger wrote:
When are you morans going to admit that Obamacare isn't the vision Obama had in the first place? It was run through the finest of strainers - the republican congress - and what we have now is a mess that barely resembles Obama's vision because the republicans didn't want to admit that the initial proposal was better than any idea they had.
In short, the price increases are due to poor planning from republicans, not Obama.
What alternative universe were you living in during the 2009/2010 health case debate? Republicans had ZERO input to the Affordable Care Act and it passed with ZERO Republican votes. You say it was a "republican congress". Actually, Democrats controlled with Congress with some of the biggest majorities they've ever had.
Marksch wrote:
jamintrump wrote:+ max wage for doctors of $50K/yr
How about Max wage for insurance executive of $50k.
And Max profits for insurance companies of $50k per $1,000,000 income--5%.
Future hobbyjogger wrote:
When are you morans going to admit that Obamacare isn't the vision Obama had in the first place?
Obamacare came about because insurance costs were increasing at an alarming rate. Obamacare has changed nothing except some people are insured that weren't before.
What should have been done is make EVERY insurance company provide an Obamacare plan with set rates and if they don't, then their license is pulled and they aren't able to insure anybody and forced to go out of business.
By letting insurance companies opt out of Obamacare, the whole system is undermined and will fail.
The problem isn't that the uninsured die off... The problem is the uninsured go to hospitals and get care and then the taxpayers foot the bill anyways. I don't know what the solution is. The only solution is the gov't just pays for everyone's health care but that is a very very bad solution.
Pence/Rice 2016 wrote:
Free market is probably the best answer... but are we ok with letting the uninsured just die off?
Pence/Rice 2016 wrote:
Free market is probably the best answer... but are we ok with letting the uninsured just die off?
In a free market why would any insurance company cover someone with pre-existing conditions? They want to cherry pick the healthiest customers to reduce their risk and maximize profits.
So people in that situation either cannot get coverage at all, or it is so expensive that is unaffordable for anyone who is not wealthy.
Pence/Rice 2016 wrote:
Free market is probably the best answer... but are we ok with letting the uninsured just die off?
There hasn't been a free market in decades. To have a free market, you would have to have actual market prices for services, drugs, supplies, etc. that are actually known to market participants and you would have to have consumers who are actually responsible for paying those prices. None of this exists.
To have a free market you would need to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, and taxpayer subsidized employer health insurance. You would have to eliminate the right of the poor and uninsured to get effectively free emergency medical care in emergency rooms, because their costs are then passed on everyone else. Good luck doing any of those things.
From Seattle live wrote:
I am paying less for health insurance under Obamacare.
there's always one anomaly or you're a liar but if it's true you don't make more than about 25k. You are a taker, not a provider.
You realize that premiums would have risen a lot faster if Obamacare hadn't been implemented?