I hate how my teammates go slow and don't do complete mileage on easy days

I can't train outside of practice because we are a really good program and the coach wants us doing the runs together for whatever reason, he just doesn't want me doing them by myself for some reason.

We run by ourselves on sunday or organize a group. I run on my own and have really good runs.

I am one of the fastest yes. A couple other guys are faster but one is like me and likes to do 7 flat pace on easy days and the other is just really talented but lazy.

are you the fastest runner on your team?If NO, then...well, you know the answerif worried about the mileage, do it after everyone stops.

grGGGR wrote:

We always go slow and don't do the full mileage.... I hate it but when I start to pick up a little bit the leader always tells me to slow down. I can't train outside of practice, what do I do?

*I can already tell theres going to be someone who says "quit being a little b**** about it!"*

So lets say we are supposed to do 7 (7flat per mile, 49min) for the day and we do 5(8flat per mile, 35 min). should I do the 14 minutes (2 miles) on my own at home or is there no point since it won't be continuous.

grGGGR wrote:

So lets say we are supposed to do 7 (7flat per mile, 49min) for the day and we do 5(8flat per mile, 35 min). should I do the 14 minutes (2 miles) on my own at home or is there no point since it won't be continuous.

it's better than nothing, but it is not ideal.

by the way, you are a drama queen over reacting about nothing. how many smarter-than-you posters will it take for you to accept you are wrong?

grGGGR wrote:

I can't train outside of practice because we are a really good program and the coach wants us doing the runs together for whatever reason, he just doesn't want me doing them by myself for some reason.

This does not preclude you from doing additional mileage on your own if you feel the need. Does the coach watch you 24/7? No. So add a 5 miler (or whatever you think you need) by yourself in the mornings, or evenings, or whenever works for you.

I did this to great success in my high school days. My coach never knew about half my runs.

How could the 'smarter-than-me-posters' say I'm wrong? I gave this post little information to begin with and I want whats best for me which is running a normal pace that has gotten me to the level I'm at. 9:20 2 mile within 1 year of running easy days at that pace

Eight flat per mile for five miles would be 40 minutes, not 35. But yes, do the other two on your own at home. You'd be doubling which is almost always a good idea. And you wouldn't necessarily need to limit yourself to another two miles.

Awesome! "Glad" to hear you were in the same boat (or somewhat in the same boat) as me. I will see how it goes

grGGGR wrote:

How could the 'smarter-than-me-posters' say I'm wrong? I gave this post little information to begin with and I want whats best for me which is running a normal pace that has gotten me to the level I'm at. 9:20 2 mile within 1 year of running easy days at that pace

There are plenty of posts already warning you NOT to be that kid. You are being that kid.

Work on not being a drama queen when practicing with the team. The social aspect of the sport is important.

Run a little more later, or earlier.

my bad lol ill work on it

If you're at a really good program, then your coach knows what he's doing, so you should follow what he says. XC coaches want their athletes to run together so that they pack up in races. Read the story about Adams State and Joe Vigil being the only college program ever to win nationals with a perfect score--the key was that they would always be in arms length of one another in practice and races.

HRE wrote:

Hello Newman wrote:

I'd be curious to hear why not?

Me too.

P.S. It took me about 2 seconds to decide back in high school that I could run more on my own, and coach never needed to know. I don't understand why the OP couldn't reach that same conclusion on his own.

C. Kramer wrote:

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I'd run my easy runs at the pace I wanted. My old team ran them super slow. I would ache if I ran easy with them from having such poor form at slower speed. They would do around 8 minute pace. I liked running easy at around 6:45 pace.

How short are they cutting the mileage? I'd say anything over 30 minutes is good enough as long as it gets the kinks out.

I don't understand how you were able to run at your "normal" pace to get down to 9:20 but are now not allowed to?

My guess is that you were running 7s in the summer and have to run 8s now.

The way high school training works is that over the months and years a coach gets a feel for how slow or fast his athletes run when he is not watching. If he can get them to run together, he knows they all are doing the same thing.

Then given that he isn't actually the IDIOT you think he is he knows you are running both slower and less then he tells you to. He counteracts this in two ways, he tells you to run more than he would if you weren't going to cut the run AND he lets you basically race workouts because in HS your crazy hormone levels let you get away with it.

The process is not perfect but you claim your team is good and it has evolved over however long he has been coaching so it really isn't bad, either.

The other thing is that in the summer, you should be doing more relaxed workouts like Summer of Malmo describes. This will let you run at a faster pace every day than during the season when you are running races and building to killer workouts, which require more rest in between.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

The social aspect of the sport is important.

If you are the running 9:20 for 3200m, just go to the front and run 7:00 pace. They will either run with you, or not. They will either make fun of you, or not. If they get their panties in a bunch about it, it's their problem.

I've never heard of this "run slow to make the other guys on the team feel good about themselves" story. You worry about hurting your team mates feelings? Hell, I don't have freaking feeling!

Hobby joggers, the whole lot of them are hobby joggers I tell you..

I doubt if Steve Scott, Alan Webb, and Jim Ryun were all in their prime that they would want to run the same pace as each other on all of their easy days. If you think you'll benefit from doing something different, do something different. Your coach and teammates want you to run with everyone else for one reason: to help the team be the best it can be. You will help the team most by being the best you can be. If you need to go a little quicker on easy days, do that. If you need to go further, do that. And vice versa. Just know that if you go run on your own, the group will probably be talking crap about you while you're gone. You can talk crap about them to your parents at the finish line on race day while you wait for them to finish, though.