Did Lance also use a bike motor?

that and more wrote:

Get the stealth package, hide it in the down tube, and it gives 200w for 60-90m. In running terms, that can take a normal runner size (65-70kg) 18:00 5k kind of guy (generally equal to a bit over 3w/kg) and have him easily keep up with a world class pro climber. 2800 euros, vs about 50 per thrice weekly dose of EPO. Both chump change to top pros, and its probably easier to protect your bike than your blood!

No way! There are many ways to disguise agents in the blood, but you can't hide a motor from the scanner.

I'm a current american pro. I'm well above six for a flat 20-(6.35 to be exact..) I'm talking about 6 4 hours into a stage. I stay away from researching motors on the internet. Not that USADA is going to hijack my computer and look into browser history. But you know-precautions.

Actually rode with someone a couple weeks ago that was very close to lance at one point and we discussed this. He said he heard it is way more prevalent than one would think. Also said that this was not done when they were racing.

That interviewer came across as a wee nyaff. Total toolbag.

Even the worst Lance hater would still want to throat punch him first.

Lance does answer the question with a definitive "no". Lance never used a motor and that the idea was never presented to him either. IIRC he states that the technology was not really available in 1999 or during his run.

I did not realize that Lance has his own podcast now. He has an interesting list of guests. I listened to his interview with the CEO of The Alamo Drafthouse. Not bad. Drags on a bit. Then listened to part of the interview with Douglas Brinkley (historian, author). Lots of name dropping but Brinkley has some interesting stories to tell.

little men, big opinions wrote:

That interviewer came across as a wee nyaff. Total toolbag.

Even the worst Lance hater would still want to throat punch him first.

I just listened to it and I have to agree. Also, OP says Lance went "ballistic" which I disagree with. I thought Lance was pretty polite considering the tone of the interview.

luv2run wrote:

Lance does answer the question with a definitive "no". Lance never used a motor and that the idea was never presented to him either. IIRC he states that the technology was not really available in 1999 or during his run.

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That's exactly the post. Why did he lie about this? Some say that it was available in 1999, others say that it was "used" starting in 2004. Clearly it was available in 2010 (when Cancellara was suspected). All these dates were during his "run". I know this. Clearly he knows that. Why did he lie? Why? Why?

Istvan Varjas just went on OTB and said that moto-bikes were available in 1998, Ferrari was interesting, UCI was complicit, blah blah

same old, same older wrote:

Istvan Varjas just went on OTB and said that moto-bikes were available in 1998, Ferrari was interested, UCI has been complicit, blah blah

The interviewer was a complete idiot, that's pretty much all there is to say here. He could've asked him so many interesting questions, plans for the future etc. Nothing, just dredging up the same old rubbish.

I would be surprised if Lance hadn't gone crazy at the point motors were brought up, geez look at the bike he was riding in 99' tell me where is the battery, motor, switches, cables etc... compared with modern frame and component tech it would've been a real hassle engineering a hidden motor in his bike.

I had seen a few motor driven bikes in the 90's but they were literally lawnmower engines strapped to the back!

Kimmage was writing lots about Lance's drug use long before he was finally outed. Though, I guess it's difficult for americans who were fawning over Lance during those days to realize this.

I'm very surprised that Lance agreed to this interview and give him respect for doing it but to expect easy questions or Lance to keep his emotions in check given their history... come on!

This is what real journalism sounds like kids!

Well the UCI put the weight limit in place during Lance's run and he was (pre-2000-01) known to have put a downtube shifter on his bike for the mountain stages to get the lowest possible weight. Carbon frames were still in their infancy so the weight limit was supposedly for safety reasons.https://www.google.com/search?q=lance+armstrong+downtube+shifter&rlz=1C1WPZB_enUS703US703&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=974&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMxcPntNjPAhXL6SYKHQwGBSIQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=UQmGVJ3g6lmh5M%3ASo I don't really think using a motor fit in with his MO in that regards. I also agree with the above poster regarding this:

Performance enhancing wrote:

look at the bike he was riding in 99' tell me where is the battery, motor, switches, cables etc... compared with modern frame and component tech it would've been a real hassle engineering a hidden motor in his bike.

The more I thought about his reaction, the more I think he just was flat out insulted. Not that he cheated, but because in his mind (I am speculating) he did it the "old fashioned way". That is, he was the best at doping, training, manipulating, etc and to use a motor would just be an insult to way he accomplished his results. He did it with his legs and several gallons of EPO. It is a weird sort of logic, but if you read reports last year during cx worlds when the belgium chick was busted, people commenting seemed to be acting as if they would have eventually forgiven her more if it was "just" drugs. A motor was a whole new level of cheating.

Lance had a warped view on cheating but I legitimately feel he would be so against bike motors because of how he viewed them. He reacted the way he did because he finds the question so offensive. It would be how a firm anti-doping zealot would react if accused of taking EPO.

Ddrftttffsewssss wrote:

luv2run wrote:

Lance does answer the question with a definitive "no". Lance never used a motor and that the idea was never presented to him either. IIRC he states that the technology was not really available in 1999 or during his run.

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That's exactly the post. Why did he lie about this? Some say that it was available in 1999, others say that it was "used" starting in 2004. Clearly it was available in 2010 (when Cancellara was suspected). All these dates were during his "run". I know this. Clearly he knows that. Why did he lie? Why? Why?

Well he says it was never presented to him. Can you really say he is lying?

Maybe it was not realistic to use the motors in 1999-2006, that they recently became realistic.

Or maybe it comes down to that even a doper has a line he will draw. Kinda like the stereotype of prison where the pedophiles are considered worse than murders. Even criminals have a standards....

luv2run wrote:

Lance does answer the question with a definitive "no". Lance never used a motor and that the idea was never presented to him either. IIRC he states that the technology was not really available in 1999 or during his run.

I did not realize that Lance has his own podcast now. He has an interesting list of guests. I listened to his interview with the CEO of The Alamo Drafthouse. Not bad. Drags on a bit. Then listened to part of the interview with Douglas Brinkley (historian, author). Lots of name dropping but Brinkley has some interesting stories to tell.

Stories to tell?

But Lance's excuse for not talking about his cycling on the podcast is that "it is called Forward, not Backward."

What an idiot.

oh my dear lord wrote:

Lance had a warped view on cheating but I legitimately feel he would be so against bike motors because of how he viewed them. He reacted the way he did because he finds the question so offensive. It would be how a firm anti-doping zealot would react if accused of taking EPO.

Wrong.

More like how a firm steroid-user would react if accused of taking HGH. Hypocritically.

Did Lance also use a bike motor? It wouldn't surprise me.

I 100% believe Froome has one under the hood though.

luv2run wrote:

Well he says it was never presented to him....

Yes, maybe it was never presented to him before his retirement in 2011. Maybe he never took any PEDs either. Maybe he never slandered anybody...

But very realistically, he was well aware of these motors before his retirement, since even part time cycling fans were aware of them in 2010...

DPL wrote:

Did Lance also use a bike motor? It wouldn't surprise me.

I 100% believe Froome has one under the hood though.

Urine idiot.