Blah blah blah.
When Centro goes to bed at night,
That damn gold is under HIS pillow.
I agree - a race as slow as that always means more guys have a chance, so if Kiprop etc. wanted to maximise their chances they should have made the running themselves.
madmandoc wrote:
If Kiprop or Souliman wanted to win, they should have run 3:30! There was no rule against it, they just decided not to do it.
HSers don't close in 50.6.
Tom Hammond is a tranny wrote:
Try short track speed skating, then. The lead ref can stop a race and demand a restart for sandbagging at his/her discretion.
ncinin wrote:
I realize championship races are slower than races with rabbits, etc but 3:50 gets an Olympic gold medal for goodness sake!
If there are standards runners must race to qualify to run in the Olympics there should be standards the championship race must be run in or the medals are vacated.
Just a quick check shows the Southern Conference and Sun Belt conference outdoor track championships for 1500 meters in 2016 were faster!
Regardless an Olympic 1500 meter gold medal in 3:50 is utter bullsh!t.
How many guys did you think got paid off exactly? Let's say hypothetically that Makhloufi and Kiprop were drugged and paid to not win. How exactly were they supposed to ensure that Centro got the gold? Was Iguider also paid off? How about "clean runner" Willis? Fixing a championship track race is nearly impossible given the amount of shoving and shuffling that can occur.
SET- Up! wrote:
It was a complete set-up. Centro only won easily because Kiprop let him. That's right, he sprinted up to him and then backed off completely not because he was "spent" but because he knew if he took the lead and won, that they would bust him for 'drugs'. Both he and Makhloufi both are probably both 'positive' with their 'A samples' and were threatened. Both could have so easily accelerated past him but decided not to in order to stay under the radar and let others win. It's all about 'Dimond League' money and how the 'testers' are getting huge payoffs and kickbacks from that cash flow. Complete BS! How does a 3:27 guy not have a kick? How does a 1:41-2 guy not have the finishing speed. I am not anti NOP or Al Sal either. Love Centro, but come on guys, watch the race again - it's total BS. Makes no sense whatsoever.
sad high point wrote:Spork wrote:The high point of the Olympics for you was a 3:50 1500? lol
This was the high point of the Olympics for me. More than Bolt or the 400 WR.
Seriously bron bron??? Matt's daddy was a doper, his coach was a doper, his team is being investigated by USADA for doping. Grow a brain cell please.
bron bron wrote:
If you call Centro a doper then you have to call Murphy a doper.
Kiprop ran 11.9 for the 100m down the back straight to get into position, and run 5.5m wide on the last lap. That effort down the straight, and running 3.5m wide on the bend in the previous 100m in 13.0, meant that he was spent on entering the straight.
Seyta wrote:SET- Up! wrote:How many guys did you think got paid off exactly? Let's say hypothetically that Makhloufi and Kiprop were drugged and paid to not win. How exactly were they supposed to ensure that Centro got the gold? Was Iguider also paid off? How about "clean runner" Willis? Fixing a championship track race is nearly impossible given the amount of shoving and shuffling that can occur.
It was a complete set-up. Centro only won easily because Kiprop let him. That's right, he sprinted up to him and then backed off completely not because he was "spent" but because he knew if he took the lead and won, that they would bust him for 'drugs'. Both he and Makhloufi both are probably both 'positive' with their 'A samples' and were threatened. Both could have so easily accelerated past him but decided not to in order to stay under the radar and let others win. It's all about 'Dimond League' money and how the 'testers' are getting huge payoffs and kickbacks from that cash flow. Complete BS! How does a 3:27 guy not have a kick? How does a 1:41-2 guy not have the finishing speed. I am not anti NOP or Al Sal either. Love Centro, but come on guys, watch the race again - it's total BS. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Also, Makhloufi losing does make sense. He was positioned poorly and had no way to get around Centro without running the extra distance.
Kiprop's tactics though, indeed made no sense. He went from the back of the pack, to the front of the pack, to the back of the pack, to Centro's shoulder, to the back again.
Kiprop doesnt know how to win championships? You mean like the 2011, 2013, and 2015 1500 m world championships...cause it looks to me like he knew how to win those.
Metric Miler wrote:
Kiprop is not the GOAT. Not even close. He doesn't know how to win championships.
Kiprop isn't going to conspire to deny Makh when it hurts his own chances. Kiprop just ran a foolish race. Starting in the back was OK because it keeps him out of trouble, but when he moved to the front the first time he should have just taken the lead. He ran a little scared (of Makh).
ryan foreman wrote:
Funny thing is that multiple times runners pulled up right alongside of Centro during that race. Blankenship did with about 800M to go. I have to think in his case he was sacrificing for Centro even though he didn't say anything about it post race.
Souleiman and Kiprop both made strong surges to the front but then basically stopped to the outside of Centro's shoulder. That was late in the race. You have to wonder what they were thinking. If you are going to make a strong move to the front you may as well go all the way. Centro may have faked them out and spooked them. Centro made a real quick acceleration when Souleiman moved up beside him but didn't really up the pace that much. But Souleiman stopped his surge when he did that.
Here is another crazy thought. Were the runners all conspiring to keep Makh from the gold medal? It seems ridiculous. But that is what it looked like. At every point Makh practically had to go into the 3rd lane if he wanted to get by Centro.
Spork wrote:
Indeed it was. It also happened to be a USA win. Steve Scott couldn't do that. Nor Jim Ryun (sorry, Ventolin). Nor Spivey or Webb. Kiprop has more ability than any other 1500m runner in history. (Again, sorry Ventolin.). Makker is is Ramzi-level clean. And the entire field was strong. And Centro went wire to wire and beat them all. That's astonishing.
So, yeah, the highlight of my Olympics was a 3:50 1500.sad high point wrote:Spork wrote:The high point of the Olympics for you was a 3:50 1500? lol
This was the high point of the Olympics for me. More than Bolt or the 400 WR.