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Seyta wrote:
Mr Chomondley Warner wrote:Boxing's not a sport then?
This isn't quite on the same page given that in boxing, either KOing the opponent or rendering him unable to fight will give you the victory, regardless of the scores granted by a judge.
This is why I've always thought that boxing matches should just go until there is a KO instead of going to the judges after a set number of rounds.
fastrunnerBen wrote:
People get so emotional about this debate. It is not that these activities don't require strength, stamina, hard work, and talent. They do!!
It is just how can you call them sports when a judge determines the winner. There not!
Diving, synchronized swimming, gymnastics, etc are all ARTS and NOT Sports. In a sport you should be able to see your competition...race or game.
Pole vault, definitely a gymnastic event, and all other field events.
These don't belong in athletics.
Oh, so I guess you have no problem with adding cheerleading or ballroom dancing to the Olympics eh? Why don't we add in motorcycle racing if we use horses?
All these fat archers, I'd make them run around a course while shooting, or combine it with all those useless horsey events where the horse does all the work but no medal and make them shoot from horseback like Ghengis freaking Khan.
Shooting, Archery, all that ribbon carp, anything on a horse and any and all sports with the term "synchronized" in the title - get it out. Also golf, tennis and soccer because they DGAF about the Olympics relative to their sports main events.
John Clendon wrote:
Isn't every sport "judged"?
Any sport with a referee. Soccer, basketball, football, hockey, etc. The referee judges the players on the their ability to follow the rules. They have bias, too. Don't tell me they don't have bias.
Swimming is a sport right? Head to head competition? Yet they touch a board that judges them. It is a little more cut and dry than say gymnastics or boxing, but the timer judges them none the less, right?
https://static01.nyt.com/images/blogs/olympics/phelpscavic533.jpgDid Phelps really beat Milorad Cavic in the 100m butterfly? The computerized mat may have JUDGED him wrong.
What did track and field officials do before race finish cameras? They JUDGED the athletes based on who they thought won. And most likely were wrong in some very close races.
To say a sport that is judged is not a sport, means you don't understand sport and competition.
I don't know if everyone on here is ignorant or just trolling, but there is a HUGE difference between a judge determining the score and goal or a clock determining the score while a referee determines if athletes played within the rules.
Mr Chomondley Warner wrote:
Boxing's not a sport then?
Yes by this definition boxing is not a sport. An absolute fact.
old fat guy wrote:
gotta go with OP on this one, though I will argue that those that participate in said events are indeed athletes - often some of the best athletes.
Watching last night no one could explain why Ali Rysman had a lower score on the floor than Simone Biles. Why 1.134 in deductions? Just cuz? Even the announcers had no clue why.
At least in other things like track when you get DQd for stepping out of bounds, that at least could be seen and understood by general public.
in figure skating the Canadians missed out on a gold medal because one judge lowered their score just because. No reason other than their opinion on the performance.
Sports have referees and that adds an element of human error, but at the end of the match you do not need to be told who won, you know for yourselves by watching.
Now you are just trolling. Each skill has an exact number of points it is worth. Biles moves are more difficult and are rewarded more points. The list of skills and values they are worth is published every year. Ali cannot perform two flips with two twists and hence does not get as many points. Yes deductions are part of it as well. These are for things like taking steps on landings, and other errors. All the rules are well defined and if the panel of judges disagree (score a routine too differently) instant replays are used to resolve the scoring conflict. People who follow gymnastics know who wins after watching the routines with 99% accuracy.
Defensive Running wrote:
thejeff wrote:My criteria:
1. Do you need a judge?
2. Can you play defense?
3. Does the human do the majority of the work?
If there are two "NOs", then it is not a sport. Come at me.
Running is out because of your #2.
That is only one "NO". Still a sport.
thejeff wrote:
Defensive Running wrote:Running is out because of your #2.
That is only one "NO". Still a sport.
FWIW, I have seen enough elbows thrown in an 800 to consider that defense (as opposed to a cycling Time Trial, where you go out one at a time and cannot draft... but even a TT would still only have one "NO".)
guy on the internet wrote:
I think if you can't say "I play _____" where ______ is the activity you are trying to say is a sport, then it is not a sport.
I play track and field. No.
I play rugby. Yes.
I play gymnastics. No.
Now, this is not a sufficient condition.
E.g., I play hide-and-seek.
Your misuse of logical connectives aside, I play chess, so chess is a sport.
thejeff wrote:
thejeff wrote:That is only one "NO". Still a sport.
FWIW, I have seen enough elbows thrown in an 800 to consider that defense (as opposed to a cycling Time Trial, where you go out one at a time and cannot draft... but even a TT would still only have one "NO".)
Maybe you should look at your wording for #1.
thejeff wrote:
Defensive Running wrote:Running is out because of your #2.
That is only one "NO". Still a sport.
Running has judges to assess whether rule whether excessive contact is made, or if too many steps are taken out of lane.
Two NOs = Running is not a sport
Make that Three NOs for runner who let others do the majority --whatever that means-- of the work (sit and kick).
thejeff wrote:
Defensive Running wrote:Running is out because of your #2.
That is only one "NO". Still a sport.
There are two "NOs." Do you need a judge? No. Can you play defense? No.
I'm counting two wrote:
thejeff wrote:That is only one "NO". Still a sport.
There are two "NOs." Do you need a judge? No. Can you play defense? No.
I'm confused.
Running: No you don't need a judge. No you can't play defence.
Gymnastics: Yes you need a judge. Yes it is down to the human.
So gymnastics is a sport running isn't?
Um, running is an exercise. A boring one at that. Can you even imagine a runner trying to do gymnastics?
diving would be better if they had to hit a target or go through a hoop on the way down, kind of like an elimination. maybe a moving hoop would be good.
I'm counting two wrote:
thejeff wrote:That is only one "NO". Still a sport.
There are two "NOs." Do you need a judge? No. Can you play defense? No.
Ah. I need to rephrase the first one so that NO means there are judges...
Help me out wrote:
I'm counting two wrote:There are two "NOs." Do you need a judge? No. Can you play defense? No.
I'm confused.
Running: No you don't need a judge. No you can't play defence.
Gymnastics: Yes you need a judge. Yes it is down to the human.
So gymnastics is a sport running isn't?
You are right: I screwed up the first one...
My criteria (REVISED):
1. Is it free from judges?
2. Can you play defense?
3. Does the human do the majority of the work?
If there are two "NOs", then it is not a sport. Come at me.
thejeff wrote:
Help me out wrote:I'm confused.
Running: No you don't need a judge. No you can't play defence.
Gymnastics: Yes you need a judge. Yes it is down to the human.
So gymnastics is a sport running isn't?
You are right: I screwed up the first one...
LOL
