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7 years ago 09/28/2016 8:41am EDT

re: Tuck

These time criteria are kinda garbage--different people respond so differently to various types of training that there's nothing you're really gonna be able to predict from having an average guy run 25 mpw for 4 months. Plenty of guys who could run, say, 35 minutes for 10k off 25 mpw for 4 months could totally crumple under medium mileage and never really get much faster than 32ish minutes. Plenty of guys who couldn't break 40 off of 4 months at 25 mpw could end up running sub 30 after a decade of careful training and buildup to high mileage.

The best (and probably only real) way to discover a runner's potential is to have him/her train carefully and consistently for the better part of his/her youth, adolescent, and young adult life and then see how fast he/she is. You can make vague predictions based on how quickly someone improves, but any real attempt at finding a time range for them is useless.

7 years ago 09/28/2016 8:53am EDT

re: talentspot

What a loser to bump this crap thread.

talentspot wrote:
1 2 3 green wrote:
kid: "hey i'd like to join the xc team"
coach: "Sure, but I see you've been doing some hiking. I'll need you to sit on the couch for the next 6 months so I can properly asses your talents and potentials"
good thread, i needed a fun one this morning.
so this guide is just for new beginners, ok?

7 years ago 09/28/2016 11:27am EDT

re: Cali Boy

This post employs reason and facts. You must be new here.

"These time criteria are kinda garbage--different people respond so differently to various types of training that there's nothing you're really gonna be able to predict from having an average guy run 25 mpw for 4 months. Plenty of guys who could run, say, 35 minutes for 10k off 25 mpw for 4 months could totally crumple under medium mileage and never really get much faster than 32ish minutes. Plenty of guys who couldn't break 40 off of 4 months at 25 mpw could end up running sub 30 after a decade of careful training and buildup to high mileage.

7 years ago 10/02/2016 4:11am EDT

re: Cali Boy

Cali Boy wrote:
These time criteria are kinda garbage--different people respond so differently to various types of training that there's nothing you're really gonna be able to predict from having an average guy run 25 mpw for 4 months. Plenty of guys who could run, say, 35 minutes for 10k off 25 mpw for 4 months could totally crumple under medium mileage and never really get much faster than 32ish minutes. Plenty of guys who couldn't break 40 off of 4 months at 25 mpw could end up running sub 30 after a decade of careful training and buildup to high mileage.
The best (and probably only real) way to discover a runner's potential is to have him/her train carefully and consistently for the better part of his/her youth, adolescent, and young adult life and then see how fast he/she is. You can make vague predictions based on how quickly someone improves, but any real attempt at finding a time range for them is useless.

this is due to a starting point they have-thats mean they have physical activity before and actually have been aerobically "trained" before

or they may edge over with their naturally good vo2max but respond very poorly to training.

7 years ago 10/02/2016 4:13am EDT

re: TUE Tuesday

TUE Tuesday wrote:
What a loser to bump this crap thread.
talentspot wrote:
so this guide is just for new beginners, ok?

i am not a loser both in reality and virtually.

stay away from this thread if you are discontent or dont want to seriously discuss .

7 years ago 10/02/2016 4:17am EDT

re: &YGBUY(*sdflih

they have similar capacity over aerobic training as they have varying responsiveness to training.

one more to intervals, one more to long run, but the range is similar.

by including all these training, only talent can be factored in.

7 years ago 10/02/2016 4:19am EDT

re: $RBY*&jh23sr

$RBY*&jh23sr wrote:
People who love running, encourage others to run. No one who loves running cares about discovering potential quickly. One of the most important parts of potential is how much the person loves running. You can not determine how much someone loves running in 4 months.
When I started running I was in fairly good shape. By your rules, maybe too good of shape to count as off the couch because I worked on our families farm. After 4 months I did not make sub 37 minutes. I ran just under 39 minutes even though I trained more than 25 mpw in months 3 and 4. After 6 years, I ran very close to 31 flat. I didn't have potential, I kind of knew that from day one as there were about 8 freshmen who could beat me, including a girl, and only two or three I could beat. I did help my HS team to second place in our state and I ran varsity for a D3 team that went to nationals.

how did you train

and how did you work in your family farm?

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