affluent white male voter wrote:
Unless something drastic happens, I'll be voting for Johnson.
Why are you voting for Johnson?
affluent white male voter wrote:
Unless something drastic happens, I'll be voting for Johnson.
Why are you voting for Johnson?
Another right winter wrote:
Johnson is another right winger like Trump.
He's for renewables, but wants the corporations to own all of them.
psod wrote:
Johnson is nothing like Trump, and Trump is not a typical Right Winger. Trump is a moderate. Where did Johnson say he wants corporations to own all renewables, and what is wrong with that?
Trump is not a moderate. He wants to make war with the world,
and since you have to ask that question, you are part of the problem.
Well, you sort of have a point. Devout christian voters are actually a diverse lot. I'm sure a few Huckabee supporters are voting Green Party. But many of Huckabees supporters really do think Christianity is under attack by government. They would see the Libertarian Party as a protector of their religion. Generally they like reducing any and all government. Also, Johnson proposes a consumption tax to replace all income taxes. That is the tax system Huckabee ran on.
FitzyXC wrote:
ryan foreman wrote:A lot of Johnson's voters are probably Rand Paul and Huckabee supporters.
Huh? Huckabee's calling card is being a social conservative. Johnson is not even close to that. Kasich is a lot closer to Johnson (though he won't endorse probably to save himself for 2020 a la Cruz)
Actually Trump is kind of a moderate. But on the history I have read, where a dictator is on the political spectrum is beside the point. They can be left, center or right. The common thread among is them is that their country is in crises and it is emergency time.
Stalin, within the Russian communist party, was actually a centrist in the 1920s.
Nixon was a centrist too.
ryan foreman wrote:
Actually Trump is kind of a moderate. But on the history I have read, where a dictator is on the political spectrum is beside the point. They can be left, center or right. The common thread among is them is that their country is in crises and it is emergency time.
Stalin, within the Russian communist party, was actually a centrist in the 1920s.
Nixon was a centrist too.
He's not a dictator. He's running for President, he doesn't magically get to be dictator just because people don't like him.
Obviously. I'm just making the point that if Trump did indeed have the character of some villainous dictator of the last couple centuries, it doesn't mean he is running on some extreme platform. Same can be said about Hillary btw.
TRUMP2016 wrote:
ryan foreman wrote:Actually Trump is kind of a moderate. But on the history I have read, where a dictator is on the political spectrum is beside the point. They can be left, center or right. The common thread among is them is that their country is in crises and it is emergency time.
Stalin, within the Russian communist party, was actually a centrist in the 1920s.
Nixon was a centrist too.
He's not a dictator. He's running for President, he doesn't magically get to be dictator just because people don't like him.
If Johnson can get into the debates, he will gain significant steam. I've followed the guy a little bit the last 8+ years, and he really is a great, sane, decent guy. He would add a great deal to the conversation and make it less of a pissing contest. He would make Trump look more like a clown because both he and Hillary want to have real debates rather than call their opponents names for an hour. If Johnson gets into the debates, people will see him as at least semi-legitimate, his endorsements will start rolling in, and he will significantly split both Hillary's and Trump's votes (though mostly Trumps of course). It would be cool to see him get 15% of the vote and really cool to see him win his home state.
Honestly, this is a good year for third party candidates since Trump and Hillary are so widely hated. Within the Republican world, George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush, Mitt Romney, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, and even Glenn Beck (hardly relevant these days but still noteworthy) have all said they will not endorse Trump. I'm not very old, but I don't think something like that has ever happened before. Trump can't even unite his own party. How the hell would he unite a country?
Johnson is a right leaning/centrist Libertarian which most don't care to realize. He's the 'cool' "hip" candidate like Sanders was before him.
Alan
If you're so stupid to think Trump is not a dictator and is moderate, then go back and listen to his nomination acceptance speech.
ryan foreman wrote:
if Trump did indeed have the character of some villainous dictator of the last couple centuries, it doesn't mean he is running on some extreme platform.
Trump is old but not that old.
Doesn't anyone voting for Trump ever listen to his speeches.
Good grief.
The Trump apologists are amazing," Bankruptcy isn't necessarily a bad thing." No no, financially bankruptcy is literally the worst thing that can happen in a free market. It's literally the outcome of bad business decisions. Has Warren Buffet ever declared Bankruptcy, Bill Gates? I could go on but we all know the answer and these are people who earned their money, not spoiled trust fund kids.
ciic wrote:
Bruh wrote:Trump is also a lunatic, not smart, ethical, or a good businessman (he got the equivalent of a 6-7 million dollar loan out of college and has bankrupted on multiple ventures). This is why I am voting for Hillary (out of necessity)
You have just shown us that you have little or no idea what you're talking about. Trump has turned an alleged 6-7 million dollar loan into a billion dollars and you say he is not a good businessman.
Everyone criticizing Trump for bankruptcy is ignorant. Bankruptcy is not necessarily a bad thing and all of the commonly revered businessman have filed bankruptcy or failed several times. More times than Trump if I had to guess.
There are things to criticize Trump for, but his business skill and calling him not smart just shows how ignorant you are. He just won the Republican nomination against people with more money and experience than him.
He certainly is not any more unethical than any of the other major candidates. He is certainly more ethical than either Hilary or Sanders.
It's really not that hard to build up to a billion dollars once you have 6-7 mil to START with. He also wouldn't have had school loans and was blessed with many connections. He is successful, but you can't consider him to be one of the best businessmen considering where he started.
Trump is smart in the way that he can control "Yes" men and idiots. He is not smart in terms of policy.
The last part isn't even worth responding to.
To turn 6 M into 1 Billion in 40 years, requires an after tax return of 13ish percent. Not unheard of---but a little tougher than putting it into the SP 500.
For 3 B, it takes close to 18%. Again, not ridiculous, but pretty rare.
The real question is, does Trump have 3B or even 1 B. My sense is he's a cash flow guy-and he has about 1 dollar of net equity---he's in debt to his eyeballs and spends every dollar his massive bond and bank loans can spin off. That's why he goes bankrupt every decade or so. His tax returns are still being hidden because his salary is fairly modest and he funds his lifestyle with his corporation's cash, not his own.
TakeThisL wrote:
The Trump apologists are amazing," Bankruptcy isn't necessarily a bad thing." No no, financially bankruptcy is literally the worst thing that can happen in a free market. It's literally the outcome of bad business decisions. Has Warren Buffet ever declared Bankruptcy, Bill Gates?
Yes and yes. Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about.
Donald Trump has started 900+ businesses, and only 6 or 7 have gone bankrupt. Hillary Rotten Clinton has started ONE (Whitewater), and it failed. Don't buy the dishonest media.
Can't Stump the Trump wrote:
Donald Trump has started 900+ businesses, and only 6 or 7 have gone bankrupt. Hillary Rotten Clinton has started ONE (Whitewater), and it failed. Don't buy the dishonest media.
Do you get the humor in calling the media dishonest and saying Trump has started 900+ businesses?
Another right winter wrote:
Johnson is another right winger like Trump.
He's for renewables, but wants the corporations to own all of them.
What does own them all mean?
Trump is actually left of center on immigration compared to Ted Cruz. Does anyone get that? Cruz wanted to kick immigrants out and moreover have them stay out. Trump, calls for kicking people out of the country, but then letting them in through a "nice, beautiful door". You can call Trump's immigration plan, impractical, stupid, cruel, but the fact is there are politicians with more extreme positions. Moreover, progressives have a problem with uncontrolled borders as well. So its not like it is just some "far right" position. Same can be said with other issues. Rubio wanted to have all investment income go untaxed, not Trump. Who is the extremist there? Likewise, he suggests bringing our military home instead of waging war all over the globe. He wants to cancel "free trade" agreements that really are not free trade. He wants to go back to Glass Steagall. Again, you can call it wrong. But its not extremist. I think Bill Maher summed up Trump really well weeks ago on one of his shows. He called him a "douchebag from Queens". That is the big problem with Trump. He is right of center, but that's not the problem. Anyone on the political spectrum can misuse and abuse their power just as much as extremists on either side of the spectrum.
Clueless posters wrote:
ryan foreman wrote:if Trump did indeed have the character of some villainous dictator of the last couple centuries, it doesn't mean he is running on some extreme platform.
Trump is old but not that old.
Doesn't anyone voting for Trump ever listen to his speeches.
Good grief.
You didn't elaborate, but I assume you mean Trump will be running solo, in no mans land. Hillary up front and the 3rd party candidates behind.
Another right winter wrote:
Johnson is another right winger like Trump.
He's for renewables, but wants the corporations to own all of them.
tse wrote:
What does own them all mean?
The corporations want to charge you and profit from your use of renewables, by driving up material prices, making it difficult for you to obtain them, and therefore not affordable for you to use vs buying the energy from them at greatly inflated costs. An example is PG&E building giant inefficient and costly solar farms in the desert, while putting high priced tariffs on consumer materials and trying to make off grid rooftop solar illegal for individual homes to have in their areas. They even want to control rooftop solar, have the power put back on their grid, and then charge consumers for that, which is totally ridiculous.