Damning Evidence that Montano did not cause Martinez' trip

Retarded Numbskull wrote:

kito wrote:https://twitter.com/mountainpsg/status/750863552534110212

Shows how Montano's left leg was too far from Martinez' to incidentally clip it.

You idiot. That's the stride AFTER she was clipped.

Look at the position of Ajee's right leg; it is twisted back and in towards the rail.

Somewhere there is a picture of Martinez contacting Ajee's right thigh.

THAT is what set off events.

Ajee said she was clipped and everyone is ignoring this statement.

At the time Ajee was quoted, right after the race, she had not seen the video of the incident.

Ajee was clipped, slightly and not enough to not recover her follow through for her next stride...that however, is what throws Brenda off enough to get in Rogers way get bumped and the rest is history.

kito wrote:

https://twitter.com/mountainpsg/status/750863552534110212

Shows how Montano's left leg was too far from Martinez' to incidentally clip it. Martinez was running too close to Rogers who was on the inside of her on the turn.

Thank you. I always thought the initial contact was Rogers/Martinez. Either Rogers tried to move to the outside and clips Martinez or Martinez was running too close to Wilson and Rogers.

DoubleDumbArse wrote:

Somewhere there is a picture of Martinez contacting Ajee's right thigh.

If there was, you would have posted it.

The lack of real proof or clarity that a particular runner should have been DQed for obstructing another runner shows that the USATF got it right -- the contact was incidental, no one should have been DQed, and the results should stand.

BMart actually said it best -- "that's track and field." Sometimes there is contact and sometimes there are falls, but it doesn't rise to the level of a DQ. It's just tough luck for those involved.

In parallel universe without falls......based on what we saw, BMart was going pretty well and in good attacking position. She overtakes Wilson (who was looking only OK). At 1:34 AM was looking perky ( despite wasting all that energy) and followed BM, not quite catching her at the tape (her 100 speed not quite as good). Rogers looked good and moves out, takes fading Wilson for with 80 to go 3rd. Grace was (a) boxed in and (b) not good enough to take Wilson.

800 competitor wrote:

The photo below shows the stride after contact, and can help us to determine the cause.

As shown in the photo, the right feet of Martinez and Montano are only inches apart in respect to the line.

When Montano stepped on Martinez` left foot, this caused Martinez' next step and momentum to come inward for balance, which made up for the few inches difference.

This verifies, along with other photos and the videos, that Montano caused the initial contact and the chain reaction, plus Montano is clearly seen to be clipping and pushing Martinez in the videos.

https://twitter.com/mountainpsg/status/750863552534110212

Whoever says Montano wasn't right behind Martinez is twisting the truth.

LetsRun.com wrote:

I didn't even know this was still being debated. We talked to Hawi Keflezighi (Martinez's agent) as well as Josh Cox (Grace's agent). They both said the same thing.

Rogers moved out and nicked Martinez leg at the top of it's backswing which caused Martinez to lose her balance and do a cartwheel and slow down which resulted in Montano (whow said she had purposedly slowed down from 200 to 150 but was planning on going hard the last 150) plowing into her behind.

Cox told me they had like 6 different camera angles on it in the camera tent and that's what happened.

So how does this explain Ajee saying, without having time to see the video, that she was clipped from behind?

BM nicked Ajee Wilson, thigh to thigh, which threw her stride off.

You can see it if you go frame by frame and only look at Wilson and Martinez and forget the other runners.

Brenda caused the whole thing.

It's like an optical illusion, if you are not looking for the right thing, you won't see it, and the thigh to thigh contact is hard to detect because Ajee's hips only slightly move and she recovers her follow through without her right leg tripping herself.

--The reason I started focusing on finding where Ajee was clipped...was because Ajee said she was clipped -- before she had a chance to see the video -- and Cox and company were all looking for the wrong thing.

The contact threw Martinez off, but Ajee recovered and ran through it still looking smooth -- as did Rogers. Proving two runners can be contacted and still look smooth...

Ajee said she was clipped from behind...which is true, yet it is from the side of her right leg on the back-swing. It just didn't trip her or make her flail, it made Martinez lose control.

Me3 wrote:

kito wrote:https://twitter.com/mountainpsg/status/750863552534110212

Shows how Montano's left leg was too far from Martinez' to incidentally clip it. Martinez was running too close to Rogers who was on the inside of her on the turn.

Thank you. I always thought the initial contact was Rogers/Martinez. Either Rogers tried to move to the outside and clips Martinez or Martinez was running too close to Wilson and Rogers.

Then why did Ajee say she was clipped from behind in post race interviews?

Clearly Martinez -- and I love BM as an athlete -- clearly she was closest to clip Ajee.

No explanation makes sense without a full stream of pictures of videos, and WITHOUT including Ajee Wilson's statement that she was clipped.

I watched the video frame for frame, like 20 times yesterday to determine the contact between Brenda and Ajee.

Double dumb asses, I'm not making anything up:

1: I started with Ajee's statement.

2: I focused on Ajee first

3: And looked for where she might have been contacted / clipped.

4. You can see it if you go stop motion through the video.

Anyone been in a race and someone made contact with you but it was contact that didn't throw you off -- yet could have thrown the other person off?

Duh, yes.

Martinez contacted Ajee, which caused her to mis-step/slow and get contact by Rogers and Montoya.

Eventually, pictures will come out showing this.

Someone can import the NBC video and extract frame grabs.

What's needed are the pictures before the picture in that tweet...

So Montano is innocent and BMart caused both her own fall as well as Montano's fall.

If this is correct, Kate Grace's win is merited. BMart ran too close to the others and was punished. Montano did not deserve to be taken down, but her terrible racing, going forward, coming back, and going forward again was a factor in her misery.

Two bad tacticians are out. And Kate is a worthy winner!

The First Lady of the American Theater keeps insisting she was out in lane three when clearly she wasn't. She was right behind Martinez.

If there are six camera angles, why aren't we seeing all of them? "Take my word for it" paternalism doesn't cut it any more.

What we saw in real time was Montano accelerating into Martinez, the apparent contact is then obscured by Rogers. While this angle is not definitive, it is heavily circumstantial and cannot be waived off through mantra-like repetition of an unsubstantiated counter-claim.

You've got footage of contact initiated by Martinez? Great. Post it.

What was clear is that Martinez stumbled and THEN Montano ran up on her. Unless you wanted to see something else, of course.

LetsRun.com wrote:

I didn't even know this was still being debated.

I forgot to say that you're an arrogant turd. The letsrun story on the front page still says that it was either Montano or Rogers who caused BMart's fall.

So instead of disrespecting your audience, why don't you do your job and write a new article on the subject.

What didnt happen wrote:

Grace was (a) boxed in and (b) not good enough to take Wilson.

Grace did pass Wilson.

DoubleDumbArse wrote:

So how does this explain Ajee saying, without having time to see the video, that she was clipped from behind?

Because Montano kept tripping Martinez, and in the process of that she also clipped Rogers and Wilson.

Good grief this is clear on the video.

Take a look at it and stop making stuff up.

DoubleDumbArse wrote:

Ajee said she was clipped from behind...which is true, yet it is from the side of her right leg on the back-swing. It just didn't trip her or make her flail, it made Martinez lose control.

Wrong again. The only way Martinez could have been tossed up in the air was by being clipped from being. Being clipped from the side would not have tossed her up in the air. Montano clipped her from behind, she did it several times and then pushed her. In the process she was also running into the others.

Again, this is clear in the video.

Take a look at it and stop making things up.

I'm sorry. I have been making stuff up.

Montano did all the damage, and I was just trying to cover up for her

(P.S. I am not Alysia)

CuriousPerson wrote:

WTF is wrong with you people? Can you not watch video in slow mo? Are you that terrible at physics that you can't notice actions and reactions and people's posture? Or do you just assign all blame to people you don't like, regardless of the actual circumstances? MONTANO WAS NOT INVOLVED IN INITIAL CONTACT.

Yes, she was. You SJW cowards are something else.

Will you people STOP LOOKING AT THE VIDEO!!

Because that's not what really happened!

Also Alisia was NOT making a fool of herself down the stretch.

Those were all just optical illusions, and CAUSED BY MARTINEZ!!