Debating an illusion wrote:
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There are some obvious axe grinders here.
Debating an illusion wrote:
This thread needs some moderation and some ip checks.
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There are some obvious axe grinders here.
This thread needs some moderation and some ip checks.
rojo wrote:
Reader of articles wrote:So your article says Jama did nothing wrong Rojo!!!!!
He can't help that the Saudi team's chiropractor has drugs for the Saudi guys
NO PEDs IN JAMA'S ROOM!
Do you know how to read?
rojo wrote:
According to the google translate (and my HS spanish lessons), it says in room 107, Aden's room, they found used syringes, illegal drugs, and receipts for drugs that had been purchased in France which were found in other athletes rooms.
They called them illegal drugs, which is a bit odd that they didn't specify the substance was but illegal = bad for Jama.
The actual words in Spanish were "medicamentos ilegales" which means illegal medicines.
In the U.S., possession of any non OTC drug without a prescription is illegal. That means EPO is an illegal drug. Perhaps it works the same in Spain.
Thursdays wrote:
They found the receipts for the drugs that were found in other rooms. They found EPO in other rooms. I'd say accepting receipts for EPO is pretty damning. Specially if the excuse is the other guy was secretly doping without his knowledge.
That was later declared false.
They actually found the drugs in the Brojos' dormitory, and in your Mommy's basement. Apparently the drugs were sent there by Radcliffe and Coe.
This is a hot story, and we'll have updates coming very soon.
messinat wrote:
asdfasdf wrote:Also what's Abdi's association with the group? Has he said anything since Aden's arrest? It pisses me off no one cares about the photos he's in with the group.
At the 2012 Olympic Marathon Trials Abdi Abdirahman had a miraculous comeback to make the team, running one his fastest times ever. Not one, but two of Abdi's training partners tested positive for EPO during his buildup to that race.
In 2015, Abdi is training with Jama Aden's group with an athlete banned for an abnormal biological passport. A year later Jama Aden is caught with 23 syringes of EPO.
Abdi is a joke. I doubt there will ever be justice, but at least he's pretty much on his way out of the sport at this point.
Didn't Ryan Hall go to Ethiopia to train with the Dibabba's? did he train with the ring leader?
Why is doping banned anyway, all these clean athletes are setting records supposedly so it clearly doesn't help.
It also shortens careers, which can only be good for new up and comers to the sport that people don't dominate the scene for 20 years.
TrackCoach wrote:
Glad to see I am not the only one who reads foreign news outlets. Sometimes when I say I've got inside info, it was clearly published online somewhere and sometimes there is an English translation of the article. Translation can be difficult at times, online translators don't do well with Amharic and Oromo, but I take a print out with me when I go to my local Ethiopian restaurant and they are more than eager to translate. They get excited to know I am interested in their news. When I spoke about The Ethiopian federation not being aware of Genzebe Dibaba's injury and the fact that she missed a mandatory training camp, I read it in Addis Neger. Ethiopians have questioned Aden for years and in spite of his success, most of elite Ethiopians have stayed away from him. I read an article over 2 years ago that the Ethiopian federation had some issues with him simply running a training camp their country. I have heard Ethiopians question why he constantly changes his training sites for no apparent reason and why he has some sites with one way in and one way out and seems to have spotters along the road. I have seen Kenyan online sites where people are complaining about using over aged athletes in global youth and junior competitions at the expense younger more deserving athletes. One article named a particular athlete who had clearly competed in world Jr XC several years earlier under a difference name. Btw, Kenya prefer to use athletes from pro training groups who have no grade school or age group marks whereby their true age outside of Kenya is undetermined when in fact, most Kenyan nowadays have a have a record of their birth.
Is anyone aware that several years ago, testers showed up to an Aden training camp, he was there, but none of the elite athletes showed up for training. The testers waited and the athletes never showed up. This was not counted as a whereabouts miss for some odd reason. I think they were able to test the athletes the following day, but if you are taking small dosages of dope, you only have a window of about 24 hours to test positive. Aden and most of the African athletes up until this year were only being tested at international competitions.
There is a mountain of analytical and circumstantial evidence the Mills and Francis have been doping their athletes for years and they seem to be untouchable. I have often defended the IAAF, but they have access to the same info that I do. I am starting to come to the conclusion that something is not right. In some countries, athletes are being tipped off when the testing is going occur and there are quite a few whereabouts misses that are not being reported.
Trackcoach, it's clear that you are a great fan.
I wasn't aware of much of this.
Can you in the future please email us if you see an interesting article about Kenya, Ethiopia, or Jamaica? WHatever language, we'll pay to have it translated if need be.
I'm serious. Please send it to me at
robertjohnson@letsrun.comand our main inbox at
letsrun@letsrun.comCan you please provide specifics of the a) Aden training camp testing thing and b) Mill/Francis being dirty?
It seems like if you knew all this, you'd want to share.
A fellow fan,
-Rojo
Good translation wrote:
Good Vibrations wrote:Don't be so ignorant. Breaking SYRINGES into little pieces. Not a turkey baster you bought for reasons you don't recall. Wandering around your neighborhood. Dropping the pieces into trash bins. Do it again, and again, and again.
None of that is illegal!
I tore up some cardboard this morning, tossed it in the bin, and it was carried away by the garbage truck later. AFAIK know one saw me do this, except maybe they saw me put the bin on the street. I probably did this before and might not recall it. SO WHAT.
Some of you people are so stupid.
Translation, you are the idiot. We're talking about syringes. If he's got nothing to hide, just put them in the trash. If you did the same thing 3 nights in a row using a different route each time, I'd know you were up to something.
messinat wrote:
At the 2012 Olympic Marathon Trials Abdi Abdirahman had a miraculous comeback to make the team, running one his fastest times ever. Not one, but two of Abdi's training partners tested positive for EPO during his buildup to that race.
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Fagan is 1. Who is #2?
rojo wrote:
messinat wrote:At the 2012 Olympic Marathon Trials Abdi Abdirahman had a miraculous comeback to make the team, running one his fastest times ever. Not one, but two of Abdi's training partners tested positive for EPO during his buildup to that race.
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Fagan is 1. Who is #2?
Don't know for sure but my guess is Abdeimounaim Harroufi?
Adding to the convo wrote:
rojo wrote:Fagan is 1. Who is #2?
Don't know for sure but my guess is Abdeimounaim Harroufi?
Just looked it up, Ezkyas Sisay. But Harroufi is FB friends with Abdi.
rojo wrote:
Fagan is 1. Who is #2?
Ezkyas Sisay.
Abdi sure has a knack for associating with dopers.
Lagat.
rojo wrote:
messinat wrote:At the 2012 Olympic Marathon Trials Abdi Abdirahman had a miraculous comeback to make the team, running one his fastest times ever. Not one, but two of Abdi's training partners tested positive for EPO during his buildup to that race.
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Fagan is 1. Who is #2?
Ezkyas Sisay
"RW: Who have been your main training partners in this cycle?
AA: I trained with Martin Fagan (of Ireland). And also Ezkyas Sisay, who ran 2:11:04 at the New York City Marathon this year (for ninth place; Sisay is from Ethiopia)."
http://www.runnersworld.com/olympic-trials/a-brief-chat-with-abdi-abdirahman-0http://running.competitor.com/2012/06/news/sisay-disqualified-from-nyc-marathon-for-doping_53214Run Tiru Run wrote:
Reading all the articles including the latest, this whole thing seems to be like a well acted movie with lots of surprises and suspense. What we think we already know may well be completely off of what really transpired. The actors are ingenious!
Assuming Aden had known or suspected for sometime(weeks) that he was under surveillance and decided to throw investigators off by disposing off syringes didn't carry any trace to anyone and particularly his athletes. He could have destroyed the actual syringes used for EPO injections and carried his athletes' DNA evidence by burning them and then went around throwing the non-implicating syringes around. In his mind he knew that this would probably result in his arrest of which he knew he would win the case since after tests the whole thing will turn up no evidence except that he had syringes. While doing this, he probably hid all the EPO and other enhancing drugs safe in anticipation of a bust by the authorities. But it seems Spanish police cleverly did not raid him immediately. And when they did, Aden and his physiotherapist had the drugs back in their rooms!
Conspiracy theory of the night. Now that would be amazing.
How do we know he knew he was under surveillance? I've heard that - was that from the Nick Willis tweet? How do we know that?
justaquestion wrote:
Didn't Ryan Hall go to Ethiopia to train with the Dibabba's? did he train with the ring leader?
No he did not. HE trained in Ethiopia where he adopted a bunch of children.
Abdi actually ran his best race by far in a long time, to my knowledge, this past weekend.
The original story indicated that epo and anabolic steroids were found with aden and others. This story indicated that there were four types of epo. There are also the syringes, plus the doping tests--still to be heard from. I hope that there is no further bribery on any level in this case.
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1st grade reading instructor wrote:
This thread needs some moderation and some ip checks.
Look, in all seriousness, we just don't know enough yet. We're going to have to wait to see what else comes of this investigation. For now we're all just speculating wildly about motives and such. I just hope the cheaters get punished and ideally banned.
Good translation wrote:
I tore up some cardboard this morning, tossed it in the bin, and it was carried away by the garbage truck later. AFAIK know one saw me do this, except maybe they saw me put the bin on the street. I probably did this before and might not recall it. SO WHAT.
Some of you people are so stupid.
rojo wrote:
Translation, you are the idiot. We're talking about syringes. If he's got nothing to hide, just put them in the trash.
Duh, that's what he did, although there's no evidence for any of this.
If you did the same thing 3 nights in a row using a different route each time, I'd know you were up to something.
Oh yeah well last week I put my trash bin on the north side of the sidewalk, this week I put it on the south side of the sidewalk, yesterday I went to Walmart, last week I went to Costco, tomorrow I'm going to the track, and next week I'm going to the ocean so you must know that I'm up to something huh, which answers the question of which one of us is the idiot. Now be sure you drive the same way tonight that you did the last 5 nights.
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