There are so many bad teams it's difficult to name them all.Lots of schools only make a token effort at the sport or have just a few scholarships to divide between the guys, you combine a bad school+bad program+ bad place to live and train= horrible XC team.
Look at the bottom teams in the midmajor sized conferences like the OVC, Sunbelt, etc.. They'd lose to some HS teams.
Yo Fordham is way worse than they set out to be. The coaches are so bad they make 90% of the athletes worse from high school and they don't get better until maybe senior year. If you want to be a good runner do not go to Fordham.
Austin Peay (it also has a funny name!)
Cal State Fullerton
UW Green Bay
Cant believe it is d1
kartelite wrote:
I went to D3 college in the southeast, and from my experience there are a lot of really really bad D1 cross country programs (and yes, non-D1 is even worse). Ran one meet with about 10-12 D1 teams once in North Carolina, some 6k race and I was expecting a lot of D1 ballers with 14-flat talent but I ran around 19 flat for 6k and ended up 4th place, and honestly after watching the stragglers come in that made me realize there are probably more 18-minute 5k guys in D1 than in D3. I was also in the "fast heat" of an indoor 3k once and lapped a couple "D1" runners despite running 8:37. The SEC is great at football, but distance running not so much (probably more the case for D1-AA even).
Yeah I understand where you are coming from but let's not get carried away here. I can almost gurantee you there are not more 18 minute 5k guys in Division 1 running than Division 3. Most D1 schools you need to be atleast 16:30-16:45,and D3 almost anyone can run. Also the SEC is actually becoming very strong in distance, Ole Miss and Arkansas have some of the best programs in the nation and schools like Kentucky and Alabama have great individuals with a solid team behind them. Nice try though buddy
MACunderwhelmers wrote:
U of toledo would make top 10 of worst d1 list. women's team has deteriorated almost as low as the men's program
Compleltly agree, the coaching is the main problem. For the men they bring in a lot of decent talent from around the area and some Kenyans but still are just awful.
Most of the Patriot League
College of the Holy Cross
Bucknell
Lehigh
Lafayette
Colgate
How has only one person said Boston College? there are plenty of schools here listed that don't even try, but BC tries and fails in a spectacular way. They get so many really good recruits from catholic schools, but the squander all of the talent that they get.
Buffalo has a low key very hot girls team
Buffalo for sure. They have gotten better in the last couple of years but man they have some coaching problems up there.
What about going to that school and making it go - either as a coach OR as an athlete?
Nicholls State
Everyone in the Big East not named Providence, Villanova, Georgetown or Butler.
Bucknell and Lehigh are in a different stratosphere than HC, Lafayette and Colgate. Bucknell finished 6th at MA regional this fall, 3 points behind Penn State for 5th.Lehigh finshed 1 point ahead of Bucknell for 4th at the Patriot League XC championships.Holy Cross and Colgate finished 31st and 34th (out of 35 teams) in the Northeast.Lafayette ran 1 man at the MA regional, and he finished 2 minutes back of Bucknell's 7th and Lehigh's 6th.Loyola (Md.), another Patriot League school, was 21st of 22 teams at the Mid Atlantic regional.Men’s Team Results1. Navy 232. Army West Point 793. Boston University 834. Lehigh 865. Bucknell 876. American 1827. Holy Cross 2268. Colgate 2519. Loyola Maryland 26710. Lafayette 284
dgfffffffffff wrote:
Most of the Patriot League
College of the Holy Cross
Bucknell
Lehigh
Lafayette
Colgate
Jokll wrote:
Nicholls State
This might be the winner. Conference championship 8k times:
91 Stefon Naquin Nicholls State 31:14.6 82
92 Tyler Corwin Northwestern St. 32:22.9 83
93 Anthony Renteria Northwestern St. 32:34.5 84
94 Teril Cooper Nicholls State 36:18.8 85
95 Zach Westgate Nicholls State 37:07.9 86
96 Darryl Cooper Nicholls State 37:31.7 87
DFL Javell Clark Nicholls State 42:10.0 88
fffffffffffgd wrote:
Bucknell and Lehigh are in a different stratosphere than HC, Lafayette and Colgate.
Bucknell finished 6th at MA regional this fall, 3 points behind Penn State for 5th.
Lehigh finshed 1 point ahead of Bucknell for 4th at the Patriot League XC championships.
Holy Cross and Colgate finished 31st and 34th (out of 35 teams) in the Northeast.
Lafayette ran 1 man at the MA regional, and he finished 2 minutes back of Bucknell's 7th and Lehigh's 6th.
Loyola (Md.), another Patriot League school, was 21st of 22 teams at the Mid Atlantic regional.
Men’s Team Results
1. Navy 23
2. Army West Point 79
3. Boston University 83
4. Lehigh 86
5. Bucknell 87
6. American 182
7. Holy Cross 226
8. Colgate 251
9. Loyola Maryland 267
10. Lafayette 284
dgfffffffffff wrote:Most of the Patriot League
College of the Holy Cross
Bucknell
Lehigh
Lafayette
Colgate
they're all terrible in the grand scheme of collegiate running. Different degrees of terrible but still terrible
You guys are all using the wrong metric. You're going by times and places for runners who survive the program, but you're ignoring all the programs that ruin their athletes.
The award for worst D1 running school over the past few decades has got to go to the Duke women. Anorexia and burnout factory. Other programs have risen and fallen, but the Duke women have been consistently underweight and injured since I started paying any attention to NCAA XC.
UW Eau Claire would smoke them in XC
Rocketssss wrote:
MACunderwhelmers wrote:U of toledo would make top 10 of worst d1 list. women's team has deteriorated almost as low as the men's program
Compleltly agree, the coaching is the main problem. For the men they bring in a lot of decent talent from around the area and some Kenyans but still are just awful.
No they really don't. Not one St. John's Jesuit runner has been even recruited there in the past decade. Truly sad.