Uh oh! Spaghettios!
Uh oh! Spaghettios!
CoachKev, I appreciate you working with Rob to get his side of the story, and additional evidence of his performance. There need to be more people like you presenting actual evidence from the other side of the argument.
I need to address some of your comments however. 1) You say the tracker is on the RV. Is there anything recording Robert's run then? 2) You say the tracker is on the RV so people can find him and come run with him. That's what I attempted to do, only to drive by 2 times without seeing him (filming the second time). I stop to watch the RV drive by (so everyone can tell it is in fact moving, and to see if he is running on the other side, but still no sight of him). 3) Why didn't I flag the RV down? After 2 drive-bys with no sign of Robert I thought I should try to get that second video for more evidence (2 poor quality videos are better than 1). Then I run up behind the RV and they stop. I'm thinking "Great, now I will get to talk to them to see where Robert is" but they drive away before I get up to them. That's enough for me to not try again to talk to them. So don't ask why I didn't flag them down, ask them why they drove away as I ran up.
If I get a believable story explaining away my experience, I will apologize for all of this, and be happy for Robert's accomplishment. Unfortunately, I think most of the people here (including me) are not satisfied with the information that has been presented so far.
You can see his deleted wikipedia page here:
http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_Young_
(Triathlete)
can you explain what's going on here? are these comments on someone (rob) trying to edit the milram wikipedia page to include unsubstantiated claims
He was using various aliases on wikipedia trying to set up a pages on himself that were deleted:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Robert_Young_
(Triathlete)
Interestingly one author of the deleted wiki pages is listed as "Kevin McE".
CoachKev, you know who that is?
Yes that is correct. He also tried to set up his own triathlete bio as linked above. Also all the photos linked on Wikipedia were submitted by Robert to the Milram page the day before he was banned. The only evidence that he ever represented GB internationally are a couple random photos of him wearing a GB kit out of competition. He could have bought this on Ebay ffs. And if he was so intent on promoting himself on Wikipedia and if he did indeed compete at some high level competitions wouldn't he have uploaded photos from these events instead of random stock photos, photos of him standing in the street, training photos, and other nonsense, anything but photos of him actually competing representing a sponsored team or his nation. I mean a hobby jogger/cyclist could produce these same photos of themselves.
He runs across America but he can only be found running when there are cameras from Chinese TV station and SI or selfie shots of that flabby sub 31 10K runner body. And he comes with full recommendation by Coach Kev.
I think the investigation is done here. How could we not think that the RV is carrying the tracker and he is no where near the RV in dead of pitch-blacked night in middle Kansas out running. He was I guess at least few miles ahead of the RV which was going less than 7mph for no other reason.
How many of you are willing to bet he can't even run a mile in 5 minutes?
Nothing shows up for Robert Young
LOL. His fanboys and girls on FB will tell you the website is all wrong.
One idiot there by the name of Kathy thinks him only having run since 2014 is the proof that he is a sub 31 10K runner. I never realized there are so many imbeciles and idiots in the world until I got on FB.
Should also not he was still trying to create Wiki entries in December 2012 after multiple failed attempts. Of note in some attempts was his deceptive use of publishing an article under the username of "cyclingnews"
"Also User:Milramteam, User:Babyjaguar2, User:Cyclingnews and probably others.
All have had no interest other than to create articles about Robert Young, a triathlete who fails notability levels, by exagerrated and sometimes blatantly untrue claims. All have relied on the same references, from a local newspaper in Hertfordshire, and have shown the same orthographic tendency to misuse capital letters and mis-use citation templates Kevin McE (talk) 11:39, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
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Excellent work Asher!
Heavyd84 wrote:
Rob's response to the Asher incident on FB:
"Luke I'm giving this attempt my best and suffering not for self gain...... but for something else. .
BS
He's doing it for self. And there's nothing wrong with that. Bolt doesn't sprint for starving babies. Athletes compete to win and set records and be awesome. Drop the higher purpose bs.
"All have had no interest other than to create articles about Robert Young, a triathlete who fails notability levels, by exagerrated and sometimes blatantly untrue claims"
I think any level of trust just went straight out the window with that one!
If i were in his situation right now I would tell my crew to drive to the nearest town and buy me a garmin with a hrm that measures as many parameters as possible, and start uploading all that data. CoachKev, that easy solution would go a LONG way to dampen the fire brewing, you might suggest that to Rob. Continuing to say "sorry our word and current evidence isn't good enough, too bad though," will only make things worse.
Yep looks people are zeroing in on the roaches beneath the rug. CoachKev - any comments? Or anything in response to several new questions raised?
Zero Integrity wrote:
"All have had no interest other than to create articles about Robert Young, a triathlete who fails notability levels, by exagerrated and sometimes blatantly untrue claims"
I think any level of trust just went straight out the window with that one!
CoachKev wrote:
Rob is looking to beat demons and to prove to himself that he can do these amazing things and to inspire children.
I have seen him talk in classrooms and listened to his story and he is magnetic and inspirational. How many of you take the time to inspire kids and others and truly want to make a difference in people's lives. I'm sure many of you do but equally I'm sure there are some who delight in nocking people at any opportunity.
So which is it?
(1) Rob was an abused kid who was a 5K recreational runner until his GF partner bet he couldn't do a marathon in April 2014 and then and only then he became a marathon-running machine?
OR
(2) Rob was a highly competitive endurance athlete and represented Great Britain on biathlon and triathlon teams?
The two narratives are mutually exclusive. And the articles that mention one don't mention the other.
Also, raising money for charity is great. But doing so does not remove scrutiny. Lance Armstrong used cancer kids to deflect questions about his cheating and PED use. Too many people use charity as a cover for their own self-promotion and their own money-making scams. So don't use the charity thing as evidence for what Rob claims to have done.
CoachKev, you will have to identify yourself to have any credibility. You sure sound like Rob's BFF if you've been there for all the things you claim. Give us data of your running ability to hang with Rob. Pics of you and Rob together would be great. If Rob was fabricating crap on wikipedia, Rob can easily fabricate crap on an anonymous forum like letsrun.
I believe he failed at fiction story (2) to because nobody would believe his flabby body was a champion triathlete. So he look overseas to another human story champion in the name of Dane. So the fiction (1) was started.
This is crazy. More excerpts from the Wikipedia issue:
Edits by Milram2010/Milramteam did not attempt to represent either the company Milram, or the now defunct Team Milram cycling team. Both accounts, and a number of IPs, have had only one interest: to post claims about a cyclist/triathlete called Robert Young, with a total disregard for requests that these claims have some verification. Some of the claims have been demonstrably false, some have been plausible but totally unverified, some have been highly POV. Kevin McE (talk) 11:10, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Edits of puppeteer and SPs so far have consisted of nothing but identical promotional articles for a cyclist and triathlete who falls well below notability guidelines, using inflated claims of winning races where references given and all evidence online shows that he placed very far down in the results. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Robert Young (triathlete) from Nov. 2011, Robert young (1982) 12 Mar. 2012, Robert Young (pro-cyclist) 17 Mar. 2012. The latest attempt at Robert Young (Pro Cyclist & Triathlete) 28 Mar. 2012 is now in AFD. User:Cyclingnews and anonymous editor at 78.146.213.180 have this morning been repeatedly trying to blank the article and bring the AFD to an early end. Scopecreep (talk) 10:02, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Administrator note: I was unaware of this case until after I blocked Cyclingnews and reblocked Milramteam while doing some investigating around Robert Young (Pro Cyclist & Triathlete) and the previous incarnations of the article. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 14:16, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
One more:
Surely the same user, 188.28.207.179, has today 5 times deleted all or part of the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Young (Pro Cyclist & Triathlete), apparently trying to prevent use of CSD4 when the article is attempted again. This individual clearly has no qualms about how disruptive they are to Wikipedia in the pursuit of this goal of publicising a sportsman whose notability has never been established. Kevin McE (talk) 07:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)