Just the facts:
1. According to a photo, an exchange umpire made an incorrect call;
2. Without the call, the team would have set a State Record;
3. Proper procedures were followed by officials following the disqualification;
4. According to the NFHS Rules (which were governing the event), videos or photos cannot be used unless they are approved prior to the meet by the Games Committee;
5. If this was an incorrect call, I'm sure it was one of many. Do you think every trail leg on the turns was legal, no one ran on the line for three or more steps without getting DQ'ed, every javelin marked correctly, etc.? 1000's of decisions were made over two days, by officials trying to do the best job possible, and the overwhelming majority were correct;
6. If you would like to see a change in the no video/photo rule, there is a procedure to follow. The NFHS meets every June in Indianapolis. If photos are allowed, be prepared for two-day dual meets;
7. Keep us posted on the results of your quest. If successful, I may protest the poorly marked javelin throw that cost my team a Utah State title by one point 18 years ago. Well, actually, we had many other ways we could have won.
Just the facts:
On the other side of the coin, do we want coaches/parents taking pictures of opposing teams, asking officials for post race DQ's for various infractions? No way.
It happens internationally. As a relay team coach for a multisport games last year I had every exchange video'd by someone. Didn't need any of them, but was prepared.
Here was the reply from UHSAA.
I want to point out that even UHSAA admits the call was in error, "The umpire clearly made an error."
Thank you for your email.. I appreciate your concern. I have attached a copy of the email that I sent to Danny Moody the Coach at Provo who reached out to me about the situation.
Again I appreciate your interest and concern.
Thank you for the email. Based on the first two paragraphs I feel like there are some general concerns you have as it pertains to fall XC and Spring Track & Field. I would love have to have a conversation with you about those concerns and our options moving forward in being a voice of change. We are finishing our state tournaments this week. I will give you my cell phone # and I would invite you to give me a call next week so we can discuss.
I do feel like I want to respond to the situation involving your girlâ€™s medley relay. This can only be described as a very unfortunate incident. I have spoken on the phone and emailed with several of our meet personnel since Saturday night and all involved feel the gravity of the situation. The umpire and head meet referee decision cannot be reversed using any pictures or video. Any video or still frames to be used must be approved to the games committee prior to the meet. This is normally only granted to finish line decisions. Using BYUâ€™s system the finish line is the only place that the meet staff has video and still frame being used currently.
The umpire clearly made an error. Our certification officials and head referees try to train in an effort to avoid these situations. Unfortunately these are judgment calls and can only be overturned by the head referee. In both instances they stuck by their decision. As mentioned they do not have the benefit for video review.
This situation is tragic but not uncommon in Track & Field or other sports. It happened at a terrible time and prevented a deserving group to from achieving a state record. In this case these are not UHSAA rules these are NFHS rules in which we are bound.
Moving forward I hope to use this situation as a method of training, and dialogue to hopefully minimize events like this. In our follow up meeting with our BYU personnel that help secure our meet officials we will discuss adding more certified officials at each exchange zone in an effort to have more â€˜eyesâ€™ in each zone. I will also reach out to the NFHS to gain an understanding on what precedence has been set nationally to change or tweak rules using video or picture review.
This is an upsetting situation, while the outcome cannot be reversed I feel confident that these young ladies have the ability to understand they performed their very best. Circumstances outside of the control held them back from accomplishing something great.
I truly feel bad for these athletes and I hope that we can use this situation for positive change.
J. Ryan Bishop
Utah High School Activities Association
THE GREAT STATE OF UTAH
If there was a wrong call being made, then obviously it should be overturned. It's a broken system if that is not the case. A photograph will be able to better judge if an athlete was in the exchange zone than an official would, so why not use it? That's like the NBA or NFL not having video review. Unless they want to install official cameras at each exchange zone, then they have to accept outside evidence, as they have none of their own.
Happened to us a few years ago. Our girl was leading and second place moves up on the last turn, cuts in too soon trying to get to the rail and ran into her pushing her off the track. She took one step inside the line. She was forced to a near complete stop after nearly falling, recovered and passed the runner about 100 meters later near the finish.
She was DQd for stepping in the track.
I protested due to the following:
1. It was not three consecutive steps (NFHS rules).
I was told "the judge doesn't know how many steps it was but says it was more than three).
2. She was forced off the track.
I was told she was bumped but the official did not want to DQ the other runner.
We had video she was forced off and did not take three consecutive steps. NFHS rules prohibit and video or photographic evidence that is not by an official.
Don't know why, seems like a stupid rule that need to change. Why would you not want to get the call right?
While the DQ appears to be an obvious incorrect call and a terrible setback for your relay team, an even more egregious error would be to go against the NFHS Rule Book and overturn the call. Your attempts to lobby support to get the UHSAA to overturn the ruling should stop. If anything, these attempts may show your own lack of understanding of the current rules governing the sport. There is a situation in the NFHS Case Book that should have put a stop to your plea before it started. Refer to page 13, 3.2.7 situation, of the 2016 Track and Field and Cross Country Case Book.
Now, if your main goal is to change the rule governing video/photographic review of officials decisions, I suggest you view the following video and get the process moving.
Also, I suggest you read the following:
An unfortunate mistake handled with grace.
I don't care about the photo. Race admin admits the call was wrong ,with or without it. It is indecent not to change the results based on that admission. If they remained in denial of a bad call end of story based on the rules.
Moody Coach wrote:
These girls deserve acknowledgement for their achievement.
Moody Coach, tell us about these girls: names, splits, etc. They may not get official recognition in the historical records...but we'll acknowledge them here.
What if Obama or the pope were there and swore that they saw a fair exchange. Would the officials overturn the DQ then?.
In Utah? Of course not.
Are you guys serious wrote:
If there was a wrong call being made, then obviously it should be overturned.
I don't know a single appellate judge who would agree with that statement. (It would not shock me, however, if you could find a few in Alabama.)
The NFL and NBA always accepted photographs and videos from the fans prior to installing their own video systems.
My HS track coach had a picture on the board of a "perfectly executed" Bud Winters Jet Sprint Relay Pass showing me receiving the stick from our pole vaulter.
Since I'm in the picture I know the truth.
The picture was taken at a triangular meet and is of a cobbled together 4x220 team. I started and passed to our pole vaulter and he passed to a two miler who then passed to a shotputter and earned us one point. A valuable point because we won the meet by one point.
The PVer is actually taking the pass from me when my stick hand is behind my body. He was caught flatfooted and I sped passed him.
It does look like a perfect pass if you don't know the story behind the picture.
Without a doubt pictures do not always tell a correct version of the events.
Mike Brady made a few phone calls and it was resolved.
He was an architect I believe.
I think he called the head coach of the other team (westside) showed him the picture/s and the coach admitted it .
Maybe you call the other coach ...
He gives you the medals.
LDS is pure as the driven snow ,