Michael Slagowski 48.54 open 400.

You are clearly never going to be satisfied, even if Slagowski runs 1:46

My examples are exactly what you asked for. Two of those examples have run 1:45/1:46 and 48/49 at 19 years old. It is clearly possible. You refuse even blatant facts in front of your eyes.

I'm done with you.

Ha ha, 19 years of age, like a college frosh. That didn't race 400m except once as workout. Not a 17 year-old high school kid. I will be satisfied if he runs 1:46 and truly hope he does it. This kid has been racing the 4x4 all year not some one off workout race 400m. Which is fairly typical of a U.S. high school kid and as pointed out by Trackcoach why many times the 400m p.r. is from high school. I will give you another example in Donavan Brazier. He ran 1:48 and 47.9. last year in high school and now has run 1:45 in college like your examples. Was that because he got faster in the mile. No ,he improved his speed. Your guys did too.

The issue you have is what I pointed out with Cacho, RoJo pointed out with his guy ,and that I pointed out with my teammates. Do you really think your guys couldn't run faster if they raced more than one time in the 400m at the beginning of the season? Slagowski has been racing the 400 all season and ran 49.0 last year.

His only real shot will be at the Olympic trials in July. Very very unlikely he'll do it. Maybe you just don't get it because your UK high schoolers run on clubs and it is different.

Michael "Slags" Slagowski is faster at 400 meters than Dave Wottle ever was.

Listen, I played your game by finding runners with 48 400 pbs despite that not being the point. You still don't get it. Slagowski doesn't need to run 47 to run 1:46. He is a sub 4 miler. Amos needs 45 or quicker 400m speed to run 1:41. Coe didn't need a FAT 45 400m to run 1:41. He only just broke 47. He was a 3:47 miler. He could likely run 13:20 for the 5k. How do you not understand this. If you have superior endurance you do not need quite as much speed.

Metric Miler wrote:

Listen, I played your game by finding runners with 48 400 pbs despite that not being the point. You still don't get it. Slagowski doesn't need to run 47 to run 1:46. He is a sub 4 miler. Amos needs 45 or quicker 400m speed to run 1:41. Coe didn't need a FAT 45 400m to run 1:41. He only just broke 47. He was a 3:47 miler. He could likely run 13:20 for the 5k. How do you not understand this. If you have superior endurance you do not need quite as much speed.

This is correct.

His 3:59 is equal to his 1:48. The 48.54 is inferior. So if his endurance was superior he'd have a faster mile. What don't you understand about that? Despite several examples by myself and RoJo you still cling to this ridiculous assumption that somehow his 48.54/3:59 combo says he can run 1:46. It does not. Your examples show Sr 800m specialists that didn't race the 400m including Coe. Only a fool would think he couldn't run a 45 high when he ran 1:41. He ran a 45.5 split on a relay when he went 1:42 and finished a 1500m with a 12.1 last 100m. Coe also had to run 3:57 in the first season he ran 1:46.

We are talking about this season by a high school athlete. The closest guy we have seen is Webb and he ran a lot faster in the mile and slightly faster at the 400m and he still wasn't close running 1:47high. You have shown nothing.

The Empirical one wrote:

His 3:59 is equal to his 1:48. The 48.54 is inferior. So if his endurance was superior he'd have a faster mile. What don't you understand about that? Despite several examples by myself and RoJo you still cling to this ridiculous assumption that somehow his 48.54/3:59 combo says he can run 1:46.

You're clinging to the ridiculous assumption that 48/1:48/3:59 is all Slagowski has. He's just starting up and his races have been against high schoolers and has yet to be extended. You cannot say the same about Drew Hunter. Hunter has already been tested and stretched to his limit.

All races were run against high school competition

March 31 4x400

April 8 1:48 800m

April 26 3:59 mile

April 26 48s 400 relay leg

May 6 48.5 400m

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Two types of troll: clever troll and pigheaded troll. Guess which one is on this thread.

well metric miler a few people on here give you sh*t but i think we both are more logical than most, we dont use hypothetical conversion tables or "HARD MATH" lol

just like how we both said 3:30-31 for kiprop and 44.2-3 for merrit in doha, and vent raged on and on

for the people who cant seem to understand the difference between speed 800 and endurance 800 is mind boggling. mostly i think it comes from people who never ran faster than 2:05 in the 800 and 55 in the 400....how can people who run slow and suck make judgement calls on fast runners? well vent likes to think his "HARD MATH" can make up for his lack of athletic ability haha

for all the doubters and lazy nay sayers why dont you watch slags 400, 800 and mile runs....

400, didnt catch the splits but seemed pretty even, for anyone who has run a legit 400 you know that if you run even you can go faster with the 2 second differential. im guessing he did 24.2...he should try to go out in 22.8 and see what happens. 2nd point he had no competition, what was 2nd place? 50? come on

800, again dead even splits and SOLO, hunter went out faster and had company. anyone who thinks that slags 1:48 was maxed out has no clue. have him in a faster race, go out in 52 and see what happens

his mile, again SOLO, imagine if he had company from the start? dont say he had a rabbit and that helps. yes its good for solo time trials at practice but when you are RACING someone at a fast pace a few things can happen.

1). give up mentally and flail

2). stay super focused and dont slack and ease off on certain parts of the race, and get a HUGE PR

from watching his races, not going off some "table" and looking at his PRs, this is what i can see slag being able to run in top form competions

400

current PR/potential

48.54/46.8-47.0

800

1:48.70/1:46.5-1:46.7

mile

3:59.53/3:54-55

2mile (PR is from his junior yr)

9:14.59/8:56-7

now lets see the vid of hunters 1:48....lets see it

dude got rolled on dat 400 leg. he ain't running no 46 bro. had a rabbit on dat mile too. i was there

Hunter will smoke dat dude. you wait you'll see

Agreed, you have to race it to get faster. Lots of 150m-200m reps in practice and lots of relay reps in meets, sometimes the open 400m to realize how fast you need to get out the first 200m against sprinters and work on speedI'm going to use myself as an example: In high school i was a 400m/800m guy and would run my first indoor 400m relay split in 53.high in early March. Then my first outdoor 4x400m I'd be at 52-53, and by the end of the season I'd be splitting 49 and could run 50.2 in the open while doing 1:54-55 in the 800mwe (a stable of 200m/400m/800m guys) basically ran our primary events and got thrown into a 4x400m most meets as our 3rd race. we essentially did Clyde Hart training.By the end of the year we usually had a state top 3 4x200m relay, a 4x400m that could run 3:18-22 and a 4x800m team that could run under 7:50.plus we had guys who could go up or down in distance, so 100m/200m guys and 1600m guys.that's how we won state championships and I cannot believe more coaches do not go with this approach. You'll get some athletes who are naturally sprinters and might be awesome at the 100/200m and guys who are fast who have endurance and can rip a 4:19 mile or something. Easy points, lots of points, lot's of options to take kids to the state meet in multiple events.

i agree with spencer wrote:

now lets see the vid of hunters 1:48....lets see it

Here it is. All three were all-out.

Slag was all out in those races and looks the same each time and racing since January. Needs to work on a kick and eat less potatoes.

they all looked WAAAAAY taxed in that compared to slags solo 1:48....and like i said slag ran his 54/54, where these guys ran 52/56....

lets see how slag does when he gets after it with competition and gets out in 52

22.mid

48.5

1:47.3

3:34.5

3:64.8

a good guess at Merbers PRs a three year pro.

Some people on this thread think Kid Slag can do this in his HS Sr>College Frosh season.

he'll bebetter than merber soo wrote:

22.mid

48.5

1:47.3

3:34.5

3:64.8

a good guess at Merbers PRs a three year pro.

Some people on this thread think Kid Slag can do this in his HS Sr>College Frosh season.

In reality...your 3:64.8 is not a good guess at all.

Jesuit Rules wrote:

dude got rolled on dat 400 leg. he ain't running no 46 bro. had a rabbit on dat mile too. i was there

Does it really matter if the rabbit takes you through the first half of the race slower than you come back in the second half? He went 2:01-1:58, after passing the rabbit at 740m.