Eliud - What 10000m shape ?

For once, the guy with the calculator actually has a good point.

He is not in fantastic 10000m shape right now. Get this through your head. Training is highly specific. He is tremendous marathon shape. He is trained to run low 4:40s for two hours and three minutes. He is not trained to run 4:15.9 pace (=26:30 10k). You have to do that pace or faster a lot in practice to be ready for that kind of performance, and I know that you are implying that he is world record 10k shape. The Bekele comparison is meaningless. Bekele was not in top shape. He has been injured a lot, obviously. 26:17 Bekele would have been running world records in the marathon. But Kipchoge is running exceptionally well and let's say that he wanted to run the 10000m at the Olympics. With a relatively short break and concentrated 10k training into August, he could well run that mid 26.

Eliud Kipchoge's always been a smooth runner, but today he looked like he was flying a space ship at warp speed.

I can't believe he didn't get the record.

How about 27:15 for 10km?

I dunno........

jjjjjj wrote:

He is not in fantastic 10000m shape right now. Get this through your head. Training is highly specific. He is tremendous marathon shape. He is trained to run low 4:40s for two hours and three minutes. He is not trained to run 4:15.9 pace (=26:30 10k). You have to do that pace or faster a lot in practice to be ready for that kind of performance, and I know that you are implying that he is world record 10k shape. The Bekele comparison is meaningless. Bekele was not in top shape. He has been injured a lot, obviously. 26:17 Bekele would have been running world records in the marathon. But Kipchoge is running exceptionally well and let's say that he wanted to run the 10000m at the Olympics. With a relatively short break and concentrated 10k training into August, he could well run that mid 26.

I agree with you ...... But don't you contradict yourself?

Training is highly specific. Marathon shape isn't 10000m shape.

Then you say ....

26:17 Bekele would have been running world records in the marathon.

???

Which is it?

Marathon shape =/= 10000m shape

Or

Marathon shape = 10000m shape?

I'd imagine 26:40 low, without question. good deal faster with specificity

Surely he can smash Rupp's 10k AR, dude's speed does carry over to marathon more than some may think (7:27/12:46, granted years ago). he's aged well, very fluid, little lost motion. ability to spend so little time on ground per stride is reason he's been consistent over these marathons, less stress, more economy, etc etc

lame-o wrote:I'd imagine 26:40 low, without question. good deal faster with specificity

he jogged around to ~ 26'50+pb off 5k training ~ decade ago, losing sprint...

Keeping in mind that I know absolutely nothing, if I had to guess a number I'd say 26:35-26:40. I think the strength from the marathon would carry over to 10k. What half marathon shape is Kipchoge in now though??

Depends on the weather? wind?

26:24.53-ish

With smooth pacing to bell, maybe faster, 26:24.51-ish.

Two gel packs for breakfast, subtract three tenths.

Two non-receivable inner soles? Subtract three tenths.

Carrying the weight of your calculator? Add half sec.

what 10000m shape is Eliud in ?

Today maybe 26:40-26:50, but with some proper 10k preperations, for 1 or 2 months, he can no doubt run 26:10-26:20

kipchoge great example that talent doesn't go away.

burst on the scene with that 12:52 gold over El G and Bekele at 18 yrs old

I do believe 26:30 clockings would be more common if they actually ran the event anymore let alone in large packs with pacesetters. So I will say 26:30-40.

HardLoper wrote:

I do believe 26:30 clockings would be more common if they actually ran the event anymore let alone in large packs with pacesetters. So I will say 26:30-40.

I think Renato said that 26:30 isn't really a good time. He said something like what you're saying. Says the record should be closer to 26:00.

'he crushed kennster bekele into utter dirt'

Bekele is not really in top shape and has not been for years

Marathon is different to 10,000. In fact a 5,000 training is a lot closer to 10,000 than marathon training is

If he thinks he can beat Mo over 10,000m he should run it in Rio

lame-o wrote:

kipchoge great example that talent doesn't go away.

burst on the scene with that 12:52 gold over El G and Bekele at 18 yrs old

That expression is used when someone loses form, not when they maintain for 13 straight years..

Slower than whatever you think.

The interesting thing is that Eliud has never run a blazing 10000 or half, and he's done several of each (on fast and paced courses).

I don't think EK would run much faster than his PR, if even that, if he was to go out and run an even paced fast 10000. It seems like nonsense to say that a runner who has been a professional track runner for a decade would all of a sudden be a faster track runner after they switch to the marathon.

Wait wasn't Kipchoge in the 2011 race where Rupp ran his first 10k AR?

Shouldn't it be 26:50-, not + (his pb is 26:49.02)

Considering he ran 12:55 in 2012, it's fair to say that his best track days weren't that long ago. He is still only 31

If he trained for a 10k between now and Brussels later in the year, I'm sure he'd go 26:40+