Khadevis Robinson's 'System'

First of all, I am definitely not KD, he won’t post on here or even visit this site.

Smoove, you took what I said out of context. I never said he “doesn’t” help those that aren’t developmental kids he spends most his time with them because let’s face it even at a P5 school, the majority of your athletes aren’t NCAA nationals material(at least not right out the gate). What I am saying is he’s not going to explain to each of his 40+ runners about every single workout. The workouts isn’t written in stone before hand anyway. Theirs an idea of what is to be accomplished that day and depending on how each Athlete is doing on the day determines where their workout goes. I only know this stuff because I was an athlete of his for 3 years. If you are a hard worker doesn’t matter your ability, he will motivate you and explain things to you on a one on one basis. He met with us often one on one and made it clear(at least to me) what we were doing and what goals we could work towards. So once practice came around i didn’t have to ask why we were doing something I already knew. My team was very mixed, with national caliber athletes and those that just wanted the gear, had great GPAs for the team, never traveled or competed because they didn’t desire to train hard to get to that level. I don’t know if coach knew but a good group of the team would party a lot and probably showed up to 6am practice hung over a good bit. Those are the ones he didn’t put time into but couldn’t necessarily kick them off the team.

facts are racist? wrote:

Kenpo wrote:

You are an idiot and a racist.

Facts are racist? Asian countries at the top of the list as far as IQ is concerned(Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ by any ethnicity). European countries are next. Than everybody else.

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

Jews can post on letsrun that they are genetically superior and the thread stays up. Anyone states Israel is an Apartheid nation or any poster states Israel is overly favored by US government or if a poster states due to the high number of Jew judges in US, Jews get away with sex crimes, the post or thread is taken down. Letsrun management must also be afraid of Israel.

Good swing wrote:

Here’s the raw deal, KD focuses on those that are NCAA national talent and they know the why as far as his training philosophy goes. He will not baby developmental kids, you have to take ownership and work hard to earn that. “That” being him giving you more attention and insight as into what he’s trying to accomplish with you. The guy plans the training he just doesn’t feel the need to explain it to every single kid on the team whenever they asked. An ego, of course but not irrationally, everything has its purpose. Weak minded kids will fail miserably as one of his athletes because he won’t coddle you that’s for sure!

Nope, was never an athlete, just knew the inner workings of the program! The methods obviously work for some people like Rizk. I wonder if the whole distance team trained together you'd see even more improvement instead of them being "drafted" and split between KD and Vergote...

Unlikely. Isn't he the head XC coach? his "methods" clearly don't work for anything over 1600m or else the xc programs would be better. Can anyone explain why he coaches cross instead of just coaching mid-d training all year round? seems like hed be better off, and so would the cross country teams.

The grammar of this post is about as accurate as the grammar of KD's terrible social media presence, so either this is the man himself feeling the need to anonymously defend himself with weird details on an anonymous message board or it's someone who has been spending so much time reading his crappy social media posts that they've picked up some of his terrible writing skills. Anyway, if he's such a great coach with such foolproof, successful methods you'd think he'd be a head coach somewhere by now.

Jews can start sh^t here ... wrote:

facts are racist? wrote:

Facts are racist? Asian countries at the top of the list as far as IQ is concerned(Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ by any ethnicity). European countries are next. Than everybody else.

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

Jews can post on letsrun that they are genetically superior and the thread stays up. Anyone states Israel is an Apartheid nation or any poster states Israel is overly favored by US government or if a poster states due to the high number of Jew judges in US, Jews get away with sex crimes, the post or thread is taken down. Letsrun management must also be afraid of Israel.

Also, Jews can point to their average IQ to explain why they make 4x more than blacks, but whites are "white supremacist" when they point out that huge average IQ differences explain why whites earn merely twice as much as blacks.

White privilege means earning half as much as Jews while Jews deny their power and benefit from Affirmative Action policies designed to help the less fortunate.

Jews can start sh^t here ... wrote:

facts are racist? wrote:

Facts are racist? Asian countries at the top of the list as far as IQ is concerned(Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ by any ethnicity). European countries are next. Than everybody else.

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

Jews can post on letsrun that they are genetically superior and the thread stays up. Anyone states Israel is an Apartheid nation or any poster states Israel is overly favored by US government or if a poster states due to the high number of Jew judges in US, Jews get away with sex crimes, the post or thread is taken down. Letsrun management must also be afraid of Israel.

Useless post without actual evidence that the poster ran under KD

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

Rizk was already an NCAA qualifier before she transferred to OSU.

You pointing out someone’s grammar proves what? You just look like a tool regardless of how bad this person wrote their message. Also, it’s even worse that you’re doing this on letsrun of all places. Please, take some time out of your mom’s basement to breathe the fresh air!

HiKD wrote:

The grammar of this post is about as accurate as the grammar of KD's terrible social media presence, so either this is the man himself feeling the need to anonymously defend himself with weird details on an anonymous message board or it's someone who has been spending so much time reading his crappy social media posts that they've picked up some of his terrible writing skills. Anyway, if he's such a great coach with such foolproof, successful methods you'd think he'd be a head coach somewhere by now.

whatsabuckeye wrote:

Unlikely. Isn't he the head XC coach? his "methods" clearly don't work for anything over 1600m or else the xc programs would be better. Can anyone explain why he coaches cross instead of just coaching mid-d training all year round? seems like hed be better off, and so would the cross country teams.

Judging from his IAAF profile, he was a 400m/800m runner. So he probably doesn't understand how XC and long distance runners should train.

What do you want to know? How we always started our workouts with 8-12x 150 fresh/good swing/fresh/good speed. How we always ate with recruits at the same Brazilian restaurant. How we had “in-between sets during our active rest period of workouts, watching race videos then Batman clips on YouTube. Heard enough?

Good swing wrote:

OhioBuff wrote:

Useless post without actual evidence that the poster ran under KD

What do you want to know? How we always started our workouts with 8-12x 150 fresh/good swing/fresh/good speed. How we always ate with recruits at the same Brazilian restaurant. How we had “in-between sets during our active rest period of workouts, watching race videos then Batman clips on YouTube. Heard enough?

more plz

yeh wow, mic drop, there's no way khadevis could have access to the information you just shared with us, now i'm definitely convinced he isn't posting on here.

I have never met KD, however what I do know is that he trained under Johnny Grey who I know and also trained with many years ago. Johnny ran for Merle McGee, who ran for Igloi back in the 1960's. I trained with both Joe Douglas and Merle. Joe Douglas also ran for Igloi, about the same time that Merle did. I recall once Joe telling me that the method he was using (modified Igloi) worked just as well for an 800 runner as a marathoner, just the interval distances and recovery needed modified between the groups of runners. So Johnny likely used a modified Igloi method with KD, who is using the same with his athletes. I will tell you that neither Joe nor Merle used a "strict" Igloi method. Although I do recall one time period doing intervals twice daily, 4 X/week which didn't last but about 6 months. We went back to once daily intervals, but still 4 X/week. We also never heard anything about the "purpose" of the workouts, and never know what type of interval set was coming next. One Monday interval set ended up at 17 miles total. Repeated the same mileage but using differing interval distances/recovery Tuesday the next day. Add the 5 miles easy each AM and it ended up at 44 miles for two days. One put 100% trust in the coach to get from point A to point B. You also had to be tough both physically and mentally to handle the workloads, everyone had a choice whether to train there or not. But while this was still a "team" we were not college runners, so this methodology may not work in that type of environment to be sure.

OOPS Gray not Grey. Never could spell :)

I love hearing about the experiences of he generations before mine.

That being said, it certainly is a different time than when Johnny Gray was among the best in the world at the 800m. Information flows more freely than ever before, and athletes are better informed as a result. College is more expensive than ever, and I think that and social media put more of an emphasis on maximizing every opportunity made available to athletes.

All of which means hat the old school approach of "do what the coach says because he or she knows best" isn't applicable the way it used to be.

I also think the approach that we saw a few decades ago of putting a ton of athletes through the wringer and see who survives (and potentially becomes great as a result) is, by and large, gone.

I got to meet Johnny about a year ago. He was gracious enough to speak at a fundraiser for a non-profit that I work with, and to do it for free. He entertained with great stories and kept going right up to the line of being a little inappropriate without ever crossing the line. It was a great talk. Unfortunately, he didn't have much success coaching distance athletes at the nearby university. I'm just jot sure the "do as I say and don't worry about the reasons - I know what I'm doing as evidenced by me having been among the top handful in the world in my event" approach works in this era.

runkeller wrote:

In his interview (

http://www.garycohenrunning.com/Interviews/Robinson.aspx

) Khadevis is quoted "I have a system that works." Does anyone have a better description of that system?

Doesn`t every coach think he/she have a system that works? But very few can back up the words with practical proof I think? And even fewer can deliver improvement on every runner they start to coach.

Tokyo 2020 ! Here we come..... magically!

Yes definitely now a much different culture. BUT..........like everything, times change. I correspond with JG periodically on FB, much mellower guy now then he was back in the day. Age seems to do that.